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Post by j3e4 on Jun 6, 2019 0:15:59 GMT -4
I think I'd rather keep NDP or find a veteran D-man for that 3rd 20-spot. If they're concerned about toughness, they should be able to find a 19 year-old that wouldn't cost too much to fill that role.
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Post by ldub23 on Jun 8, 2019 22:50:41 GMT -4
With the QMJHL American draft and CHL Import Draft still pending, I figured I pull a Briwhel and throw down a way too early mock lineup ...
Forwards
Roy - Lawrence - Guay
Stairs - Drover - Cajkovic
White - Burns - NDP/W.Poirier
Plamondon - Jacob - Belisle
Macintosh - Wilson - Savoie/Orr
Defence
J.Poirier - Villeneuve
Sibley - DesRoches
Gallant - Musico
Kakouras - Spadadore
Goalies
Bouthillier
DaSilva / Savoie
Bagnell / Bradford / Pace
There are several other prospects, such as Dumont and O'Neill, that could push for a spot at camp as well. And that's without even dreaming of one or more of Jack Williams, Peter Reynolds or Cam MacDonald reporting any time soon.
Based on this, it does seem that Trevor and Anthony should be looking to add to the defence core - possibly an import. I'm hopeful that they'll make a trade or free agent signing - or two - in that area specifically.
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 9, 2019 8:30:55 GMT -4
With the QMJHL American draft and CHL Import Draft still pending, I figured I pull a Briwhel and throw down a way too early mock lineup ... Forwards Roy - Lawrence - Guay Stairs - Drover - Cajkovic White - Burns - NDP/W.Poirier Plamondon - Jacob - Belisle Macintosh - Wilson - Savoie/Orr Defence J.Poirier - Villeneuve Sibley - DesRoches Gallant - Musico Kakouras - Spadadore Goalies Bouthillier DaSilva / Savoie Bagnell / Bradford / Pace There are several other prospects, such as Dumont and O'Neill, that could push for a spot at camp as well. And that's without even dreaming of one or more of Jack Williams, Peter Reynolds or Cam MacDonald reporting any time soon. Based on this, it does seem that Trevor and Anthony should be looking to add to the defence core - possibly an import. I'm hopeful that they'll make a trade or free agent signing - or two - in that area specifically. I like the lineup, but if we are using a 2nd oa fw, i would hope that he would be on the cajkovic line for puck support. We still desperately need a vet d. |
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Post by berner on Jun 9, 2019 9:23:11 GMT -4
With the QMJHL American draft and CHL Import Draft still pending, I figured I pull a Briwhel and throw down a way too early mock lineup ... Forwards Roy - Lawrence - Guay Stairs - Drover - Cajkovic White - Burns - NDP/W.Poirier Plamondon - Jacob - Belisle Macintosh - Wilson - Savoie/Orr Defence J.Poirier - Villeneuve Sibley - DesRoches Gallant - Musico Kakouras - Spadadore Goalies Bouthillier DaSilva / Savoie Bagnell / Bradford / Pace There are several other prospects, such as Dumont and O'Neill, that could push for a spot at camp as well. And that's without even dreaming of one or more of Jack Williams, Peter Reynolds or Cam MacDonald reporting any time soon. Based on this, it does seem that Trevor and Anthony should be looking to add to the defence core - possibly an import. I'm hopeful that they'll make a trade or free agent signing - or two - in that area specifically. Looks good - I’d suggest that if we’re keeping one of Deakin-Poot or W Poirier, it’s gotta be Deakin-Poot. |
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Post by Slap Shooter on Jun 9, 2019 11:08:40 GMT -4
The team will still be young but we should have lots of skill. We might have a hard time against some of the top contenders next season but we should give the rest of the leagues fits and be no easy wins against us and that is without the NCAA guys reporting. If any of them were to report even better. Once we add another good Euro and if we can get good veteran D-man look out.
It will be interesting to see how much some of the 16 year olds from last season will have grown over the summer, bigger , stronger faster.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 13:45:32 GMT -4
I'm having a lot of fun watching this rebuild! Lots of talent on the way, really hope a Memorial Cup comes your way and that you get hosting rights in 2022!
I'm not a Sea Dogs fan and don't watch the team a whole lot but here's my projected roster
FORWARDS
Nicolas Guay (20)
Maxim Cajkovic (18) [NHL '19]
Nick Deakin-Poot (20)
Brady Burns (17) [NHL Eligible '20]
Josh Lawrence (17) [NHL Eligible '20]
Joshua Roy (16) [NHL Eligible '21]
Alex Drover (17) [NHL Eligible '20]
Dawson Stairs (17) [NHL Eligible '20]
Yohan Plamondon (19)
Jeremie Jacob (18)
James White (19)
Import Player (?)
*Scratches: Aiden MacIntosh, Luke Wilson, Charles Savoie, Robert Orr
DEFENCE
Charlie Desroche (17) [NHL Eligible '20]
Jeremie Poirier (17) [NHL Eligible '20]
William Villeneuve (17) [NHL Eligible '20]
Brendan Sibley (18)
Patrick Musico (19)
Carson Gallant (18)
GOALIES
Zachary Bouthillier (20) [TOR]
Noah Patenaude (17)
Thommy Da Silva (18)
Unconfirmed: Peter Reynolds (16) [NHL Eligible '21]
Not sure if Alex Drover and Dawson Stairs will be NHL draftees, more likely Alex but depends on how well they do this coming season I was impressed by both of them over the year.
My knowledge on the team isn't the best.
I believe these are all your 1st Round Picks that you can put into trades to acquire better players?
1st RD 2020 (BAC) [D'Orio Trade]
1st RD 2020 (DRU) [Veleno Trade]
1st RD 2020 (RIM) [Dove-McFalls Trade]
1st RD 2020 (SJ)
1st RD 2021 (HAL) [Safin Trade]
1st RD 2021 (SJ)
1st RD 2022 (SJ)
Not to mention all the 2nd rounders you guys have and such! Maybe you'll guys get players like Justin Barron in the future who knows?
Go Dogs!
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 17, 2019 15:08:50 GMT -4
I'm having a lot of fun watching this rebuild! Lots of talent on the way, really hope a Memorial Cup comes your way and that you get hosting rights in 2022! I'm not a Sea Dogs fan and don't watch the team a whole lot but here's my projected roster FORWARDS Nicolas Guay (20) Maxim Cajkovic (18) [NHL '19] Nick Deakin-Poot (20) Brady Burns (17) [NHL Eligible '20] Josh Lawrence (17) [NHL Eligible '20] Joshua Roy (16) [NHL Eligible '21] Alex Drover (17) [NHL Eligible '20] Dawson Stairs (17) [NHL Eligible '20] Yohan Plamondon (19) Jeremie Jacob (18) James White (19) Import Player (?) *Scratches: Aiden MacIntosh, Luke Wilson, Charles Savoie, Robert Orr DEFENCE Charlie Desroche (17) [NHL Eligible '20] Jeremie Poirier (17) [NHL Eligible '20] William Villeneuve (17) [NHL Eligible '20] Brendan Sibley (18) Patrick Musico (19) Carson Gallant (18) GOALIES Zachary Bouthillier (20) [TOR] Noah Patenaude (17) Thommy Da Silva (18) Unconfirmed: Peter Reynolds (16) [NHL Eligible '21] Not sure if Alex Drover and Dawson Stairs will be NHL draftees, more likely Alex but depends on how well they do this coming season I was impressed by both of them over the year. My knowledge on the team isn't the best. I believe these are all your 1st Round Picks that you can put into trades to acquire better players? 1st RD 2020 (BAC) [D'Orio Trade] 1st RD 2020 (DRU) [Veleno Trade] 1st RD 2020 (RIM) [Dove-McFalls Trade] 1st RD 2020 (SJ) 1st RD 2021 (HAL) [Safin Trade] 1st RD 2021 (SJ) 1st RD 2022 (SJ) Not to mention all the 2nd rounders you guys have and such! Maybe you'll guys get players like Justin Barron in the future who knows? Go Dogs! The Dove trade was to get our 2020 1st back. |
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Post by Slap Shooter on Jun 17, 2019 19:12:34 GMT -4
With Drummondville and BC selling off and us being a bottom half team we should end up with 3 very high picks in the 2020 draft. I imagine they will trade at least one of those picks for an established 18 or 19 year old.
We need to keep some good young players or picks so that we are still competitive after our current cycle is over so we are not starting over with bare cupboards.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 18, 2019 8:30:29 GMT -4
With Drummondville and BC selling off and us being a bottom half team we should end up with 3 very high picks in the 2020 draft. I imagine they will trade at least one of those picks for an established 18 or 19 year old. We need to keep some good young players or picks so that we are still competitive after our current cycle is over so we are not starting over with bare cupboards. You almost always start with bare cupboards which is how you get the picks you need to build your team. Don't fix what ain't broke. |
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 18, 2019 9:24:58 GMT -4
With Drummondville and BC selling off and us being a bottom half team we should end up with 3 very high picks in the 2020 draft. I imagine they will trade at least one of those picks for an established 18 or 19 year old. We need to keep some good young players or picks so that we are still competitive after our current cycle is over so we are not starting over with bare cupboards. You almost always start with bare cupboards which is how you get the picks you need to build your team. Don't fix what ain't broke. And spend two years out of the playoffs as a league doormat. I'd say that was "broke" from business perspective ... maybe if they didn't start with empty cupboards then they wouldn't have to threaten to leave town to get a handout. From a "winning championships" viewpoint, nobody has been better, but the fans basically have to take 2 and 3 years off from watching exciting hockey in between the championship runs. There must be a happy medium in there somewhere. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 18, 2019 9:33:24 GMT -4
You almost always start with bare cupboards which is how you get the picks you need to build your team. Don't fix what ain't broke. And spend two years out of the playoffs as a league doormat. I'd say that was "broke" from business perspective ... maybe if they didn't start with empty cupboards then they wouldn't have to threaten to leave town to get a handout. From a "winning championships" viewpoint, nobody has been better, but the fans basically have to take 2 and 3 years off from watching exciting hockey in between the championship runs. There must be a happy medium in there somewhere. Maybe if they didn't spend all their revenue on side deals with players going the NCAA route they would have made some money. When your cycle results in championships...down years or not...finding a new happy medium is not going to make very many happy in my opinion. Would Saint John support say 5 straight 40 win and out in the 2nd round seasons? Or would they call it a waste of a cycle since it doesn't result in a long playoff run and championship? When you've delivered championships it's hard to move to a model that expects more support yet almost surely produces less championships. When those are your options maybe you should be looking for a new home. |
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Post by Slap Shooter on Jun 18, 2019 9:43:08 GMT -4
You almost always start with bare cupboards which is how you get the picks you need to build your team. Don't fix what ain't broke. And spend two years out of the playoffs as a league doormat. I'd say that was "broke" from business perspective ... maybe if they didn't start with empty cupboards then they wouldn't have to threaten to leave town to get a handout. From a "winning championships" viewpoint, nobody has been better, but the fans basically have to take 2 and 3 years off from watching exciting hockey in between the championship runs. There must be a happy medium in there somewhere. This current rebuild has been harder for me to watch because they have taken the toughness out of the game. At least during the rebuild after 2012 there was still some hard hitting physical play and some fights to entertain us but the past two years have not been the same. Now mind you there was still some very entertaining games but some very boring games as well. I always buy a 34 game flex pack and always get to close to 25 or so games a season but this past year I had to drag myself to the rink most nights. The Huskies seem to have a good model going. Be excellent for a year or two not empty the cupboards completely and be mediocre for a year or two. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 18, 2019 9:55:46 GMT -4
And spend two years out of the playoffs as a league doormat. I'd say that was "broke" from business perspective ... maybe if they didn't start with empty cupboards then they wouldn't have to threaten to leave town to get a handout. From a "winning championships" viewpoint, nobody has been better, but the fans basically have to take 2 and 3 years off from watching exciting hockey in between the championship runs. There must be a happy medium in there somewhere. This current rebuild has been harder for me to watch because they have taken the toughness out of the game. At least during the rebuild after 2012 there was still some hard hitting physical play and some fights to entertain us but the past two years have not been the same. Now mind you there was still some very entertaining games but some very boring games as well. I always buy a 34 game flex pack and always get to close to 25 or so games a season but this past year I had to drag myself to the rink most nights. The Huskies seem to have a good model going. Be excellent for a year or two not empty the cupboards completely and be mediocre for a year or two. With the removal of fighting and the players at the end of the roster being all very similar and generic it's really hard to find the sliver linings in rebuilding years. The teams and league have missed out on more in-arena activities to keep people engaged. The sport losing a huge entertainment factor that was never replaced makes those down years seem even longer but that is where current age marketing and information sharing should make it easier then ever to engage people more who have bought a ticket. One thing I noticed in the few NBL games I went too over the years was constant fan interaction during breaks. Giving away a couple tickets to future games. Free canteen vouchers. Small gestures but things that can keep people coming back if they view it as added value regardless of the outcome of the event they're paying to see. Gatineau was a past model everyone wanted to replicate. Today it's Rouyn. In 5-10 years it will be someone else. But lets not forget that many CHL fan bases without the insight into the Q we all have would say Saint John is one of those teams as they finish rebuilds with long playoff runs. Once a decade or so a team pulls off a great draft class or 2 and develops them right and makes everything look so easy. But people think that's the norm. "I just want to be like London" you'll see some fans say about their own team. If only it was just that simple. |
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 18, 2019 11:24:54 GMT -4
This current rebuild has been harder for me to watch because they have taken the toughness out of the game. At least during the rebuild after 2012 there was still some hard hitting physical play and some fights to entertain us but the past two years have not been the same. Now mind you there was still some very entertaining games but some very boring games as well. I always buy a 34 game flex pack and always get to close to 25 or so games a season but this past year I had to drag myself to the rink most nights. The Huskies seem to have a good model going. Be excellent for a year or two not empty the cupboards completely and be mediocre for a year or two. With the removal of fighting and the players at the end of the roster being all very similar and generic it's really hard to find the sliver linings in rebuilding years. The teams and league have missed out on more in-arena activities to keep people engaged. The sport losing a huge entertainment factor that was never replaced makes those down years seem even longer but that is where current age marketing and information sharing should make it easier then ever to engage people more who have bought a ticket. One thing I noticed in the few NBL games I went too over the years was constant fan interaction during breaks. Giving away a couple tickets to future games. Free canteen vouchers. Small gestures but things that can keep people coming back if they view it as added value regardless of the outcome of the event they're paying to see. Gatineau was a past model everyone wanted to replicate. Today it's Rouyn. In 5-10 years it will be someone else. But lets not forget that many CHL fan bases without the insight into the Q we all have would say Saint John is one of those teams as they finish rebuilds with long playoff runs. Once a decade or so a team pulls off a great draft class or 2 and develops them right and makes everything look so easy. But people think that's the norm. "I just want to be like London" you'll see some fans say about their own team. If only it was just that simple. I find the constant noise from the roving guy in the stands so tiring. I get it that they are trying to add energy to the building but they do the exact same thing every game ... it is so predictable. The bottom line for me is that if you want the fans to be energetic then you need to have an exciting team. Even a rebuilding team can be exciting if they are hard working. Last year's Wildcat team had a very good start to the season and I marveled at how good they were offensively ... the PP was fun to watch. But then they got ranked in the CHL top ten and figured all they had to do was show up and win and forgot how to work hard. The team went to sleep for a few months ... and the fans became very frustrated ... a Coach got fired ... a new one hired. The team got better gradually after that and had a good first round playoff series ... but they wasted more than half the season playing lazy hockey. Lazy hockey can easily lose the fans. Lazy hockey made it so we had to line up with BC in Round 1. Ultimately you are selling entertainment and the fans ... especially the season ticket holders ... are paying to be entertained by hockey ... not by ticket and canteen give aways. If nothing else your team should be good at home because those are your customers. Moncton last year was better on the road than they were at home. As long as the players are working their butts off game in and game out then the fans will be fine with losing for a year. But losing for 2 years in a row is long stretch of not being entertained and even hard work can't keep the fans coming out. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 18, 2019 11:31:29 GMT -4
With the removal of fighting and the players at the end of the roster being all very similar and generic it's really hard to find the sliver linings in rebuilding years. The teams and league have missed out on more in-arena activities to keep people engaged. The sport losing a huge entertainment factor that was never replaced makes those down years seem even longer but that is where current age marketing and information sharing should make it easier then ever to engage people more who have bought a ticket. One thing I noticed in the few NBL games I went too over the years was constant fan interaction during breaks. Giving away a couple tickets to future games. Free canteen vouchers. Small gestures but things that can keep people coming back if they view it as added value regardless of the outcome of the event they're paying to see. Gatineau was a past model everyone wanted to replicate. Today it's Rouyn. In 5-10 years it will be someone else. But lets not forget that many CHL fan bases without the insight into the Q we all have would say Saint John is one of those teams as they finish rebuilds with long playoff runs. Once a decade or so a team pulls off a great draft class or 2 and develops them right and makes everything look so easy. But people think that's the norm. "I just want to be like London" you'll see some fans say about their own team. If only it was just that simple. I find the constant noise from the roving guy in the stands so tiring. I get it that they are trying to add energy to the building but they do the exact same thing every game ... it is so predictable. The bottom line for me is that if you want the fans to be energetic then you need to have an exciting team. Even a rebuilding team can be exciting if they are hard working. Last year's Wildcat team had a very good start to the season and I marveled at how good they were offensively ... the PP was fun to watch. But then they got ranked in the CHL top ten and figured all they had to do was show up and win and forgot how to work hard. The team went to sleep for a few months ... and the fans became very frustrated ... a Coach got fired ... a new one hired. The team got better gradually after that and had a good first round playoff series ... but they wasted more than half the season playing lazy hockey. Lazy hockey can easily lose the fans. Lazy hockey made it so we had to line up with BC in Round 1. Ultimately you are selling entertainment and the fans ... especially the season ticket holders ... are paying to be entertained by hockey ... not by ticket and canteen give aways. If nothing else your team should be good at home because those are your customers. Moncton last year was better on the road than they were at home. As long as the players are working their butts off game in and game out then the fans will be fine with losing for a year. But losing for 2 years in a row is long stretch of not being entertained and even hard work can't keep the fans coming out. Some of our markets are being propped up now by international students and immigrants being brought in to bump up our population and help to increase our tax base a bit. Appealing to those people with the things going on around the sport as much as the sport itself can lead to happy people who don't really know that Moncton only tried had for 6 weeks. In fact i'd go as far to say certain fans would look at that season completely different then you and only find about 1/3 of the negative that you experienced as a long time fan who knows more about the product. Some of us they'll never please because we want to see hard working teams and clearly it's not that easy to just deploy one of those or 18 markets would have it. So they need to find other ways to not only bring people in but keep them entertained while they're there. You can't help your rebuilding team losing 6-2, or contending putting up a 5-1 stinker, but you can make the evening memorable with other things going on around the arena for the 3 hours. |
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