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Post by Marco52 on Aug 1, 2019 13:14:36 GMT -4
well I threw in a bit to try and keep up with the Seadogs. Got to do what it takes to keep up. Game on boys. Touche. The rumors of a bidding war must have been false as I think they could have got more than a first and a 3rd for him if there was more than one team bidding on him. YJ knew that STJ had a deal with Plandowski. He drafted him and was okay to trade him there, but there was a price for STJ and a price for the rest of the teams. |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Aug 1, 2019 13:17:20 GMT -4
well I threw in a bit to try and keep up with the Seadogs. Got to do what it takes to keep up. Game on boys. Touche. The rumors of a bidding war must have been false as I think they could have got more than a first and a 3rd for him if there was more than one team bidding on him. And they did....they got a 1st and a 2nd (in 2022)  |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Aug 1, 2019 13:23:49 GMT -4
Touche. The rumors of a bidding war must have been false as I think they could have got more than a first and a 3rd for him if there was more than one team bidding on him. YJ knew that STJ had a deal with Plandowski. He drafted him and was okay to trade him there, but there was a price for STJ and a price for the rest of the teams. In 2020 and 2021 together, SJ has 5 1st round picks and 3 2nd round picks. Given that the Charlottetown second rounder is 2022 (and assuming that pick isn't just a placeholder for a future asset)..... I'd say any combo of one of those 1sts and 2nds would have been a better offer than what they just got from Charlottetown. If YJ wants to make a lesser deal out of spite, his choice. Now that the price has been paid for Plandowski, if I were TG, and if SJ is seriously trying to acquire Whynot, I'd be going to Sherbrooke right now and offering them their choice of any one first and any one second round pick. I myself would rather be targeting another young forward over adding a fifth high end young defenseman, but their choice. |
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Post by pinkbeaver on Aug 1, 2019 14:27:00 GMT -4
YJ knew that STJ had a deal with Plandowski. He drafted him and was okay to trade him there, but there was a price for STJ and a price for the rest of the teams. In 2020 and 2021 together, SJ has 5 1st round picks and 3 2nd round picks. Given that the Charlottetown second rounder is 2022 (and assuming that pick isn't just a placeholder for a future asset)..... I'd say any combo of one of those 1sts and 2nds would have been a better offer than what they just got from Charlottetown. If YJ wants to make a lesser deal out of spite, his choice. Now that the price has been paid for Plandowski, if I were TG, and if SJ is seriously trying to acquire Whynot, I'd be going to Sherbrooke right now and offering them their choice of any one first and any one second round pick. I myself would rather be targeting another young forward over adding a fifth high end young defenseman, but their choice. I don't think their is enough ice time to go around to be adding another young high end forward. (especially if reynolds reports) The only way to add someone at this point is to ship a current top 9 guy out for an upgrade. You don't want to be so deep at this point that skilled 16/17's are playing 4th line minutes. I think the best thing for SJ is to simply let this year play out and let their young guys develop. Then next off season you can re evaluate the team and see if any upgrades are needed. |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Aug 1, 2019 15:08:19 GMT -4
In 2020 and 2021 together, SJ has 5 1st round picks and 3 2nd round picks. Given that the Charlottetown second rounder is 2022 (and assuming that pick isn't just a placeholder for a future asset)..... I'd say any combo of one of those 1sts and 2nds would have been a better offer than what they just got from Charlottetown. If YJ wants to make a lesser deal out of spite, his choice. Now that the price has been paid for Plandowski, if I were TG, and if SJ is seriously trying to acquire Whynot, I'd be going to Sherbrooke right now and offering them their choice of any one first and any one second round pick. I myself would rather be targeting another young forward over adding a fifth high end young defenseman, but their choice. I don't think their is enough ice time to go around to be adding another young high end forward. (especially if reynolds reports) The only way to add someone at this point is to ship a current top 9 guy out for an upgrade. You don't want to be so deep at this point that skilled 16/17's are playing 4th line minutes. I disagree. If you add another high end defenseman right now you will have 5 high end 16-17 year old D and one of those 5 guys is stuck in that bottom pairing for a few years. Remember that 2022 is the "go for it we want to host Memorial Cup" year. If we call the fifth acquired D to be Whynot, that means 4 19 year old D and an 18 year old for 2022. I'd imagine someone would get tired of that arrangement real quick and want out, plus is likely hurts their development as well being a bottom pairing guy all that time. On forward we have what for high end guys? Guay? (Not around for 2022 he's already 20) Cajkovic? (Not around for 2022 likely as a 20 year old Import NHL drafted would be playing pro somewhere) 1. Dawson Stairs 2. Josh Lawrence 3. Brady Burns 4. Alex Drover 5. Joshua Roy 6. Peter Reynolds (Ok, if he shows) 7. Lets Assume a New Impact Import Here to Replace Cajkovic That's 7 guys. Everyone else I'd say it is either very questionable if they will ever show up, or their level of impact is questionable or not much....meaning not high end type guys most likely. That means up front there's still likely 2 spots open in our top nine, and a Memorial Cup team has a strong 3rd line that can produce. To me getting a young high end forward that at worst would play third line or push another high end forward to the third line is much better than getting another high end defenseman that will always be stuck on the bottom pairing or that forces one of our existing high end defenseman to become a bottom pairing guy for the next three years. |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Aug 1, 2019 15:10:56 GMT -4
I think the best thing for SJ is to simply let this year play out and let their young guys develop. Then next off season you can re evaluate the team and see if any upgrades are needed. This part of your post I do agree with though, unless they target a forward that they really really covet and can acquire for a fair price. Then I'd pull that trigger. Otherwise I agree. Go with what you got for now and re-evaluate later. |
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Post by pinkbeaver on Aug 1, 2019 15:35:43 GMT -4
I think the best thing for SJ is to simply let this year play out and let their young guys develop. Then next off season you can re evaluate the team and see if any upgrades are needed. This part of your post I do agree with though, unless they target a forward that they really really covet and can acquire for a fair price. Then I'd pull that trigger. Otherwise I agree. Go with what you got for now and re-evaluate later. Yeah, my post was really more specific to this year and this years current roster and not having much room to play with without moving someone. I understand they will need to fill spots down the road, but for this year, if you add another guy, someone young and skilled could get buried on the 4th line. |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Aug 1, 2019 15:46:21 GMT -4
This part of your post I do agree with though, unless they target a forward that they really really covet and can acquire for a fair price. Then I'd pull that trigger. Otherwise I agree. Go with what you got for now and re-evaluate later. Yeah, my post was really more specific to this year and this years current roster and not having much room to play with without moving someone. I understand they will need to fill spots down the road, but for this year, if you add another guy, someone young and skilled could get buried on the 4th line. Even this year I don't think it would be much of an issue because as things currently stand, I only think seven spots each year are "locks". Like for this year I think the seven spots are: 1. Guay 2. Cajkovic 3. Dawson Stairs 4. Josh Lawrence 5. Brady Burns 6. Alex Drover 7. Joshua Roy Obviously that Import spot I mentioned in the previous post for 2022 doesn't apply, because Cajkovic is still here. Maybe I'm too negative but I don't think Reynolds shows up this year. I do think we'll see him next season though. |
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Post by ldub23 on Aug 1, 2019 16:30:33 GMT -4
#QMJHLTrades 🔁 @drakkardebaieco ➡ Saint John : Sacha Roy (99-05-04) @sjseadogs ➡ Baie-Comeau : 12th round 2020 t.co/vKsdPWpKPG |
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Post by killer on Aug 1, 2019 17:02:56 GMT -4
#QMJHLTrades 🔁 @drakkardebaieco ➡ Saint John : Sacha Roy (99-05-04) @sjseadogs ➡ Baie-Comeau : 12th round 2020 t.co/vKsdPWpKPGBeautiful... I like it, when Roy played here last year he had almost as many hits as our entire team combined. I also like that he can play both forward and defence... Hopefully Dixon uses him correctly.... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 17:10:11 GMT -4
Saint John acquires 20 year old left shooting defencemen Sacha Roy from Baie Comeau. Good defensive-defencemen but has an offensive side to his game as well, he does take a lot of penalties though. Not a Saint John fan but I do believe that leaves you with four left D's, Roy, Poirier, Lehmus, and Sibley, seems like Sibley will be a scratch or traded. On the right side you only have Villeneuve and Desroches. I guess Musico goes in and Sibley goes out? Or does Roy play on the right side maybe? He can hit he's a great hitter, I'd say this is a good add.
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Post by Citris on Aug 1, 2019 17:12:25 GMT -4
The fact that it's a 12th in 2020 makes me feel that this is kind of a tryout situation.
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Post by Briwhel on Aug 1, 2019 17:16:09 GMT -4
The fact that it's a 12th in 2020 makes me feel that this is kind of a tryout situation. It's the completion of the D'Orio trade. 1st, 12 and Roy for D'Orio and 12 |
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Post by Citris on Aug 1, 2019 17:16:36 GMT -4
The fact that it's a 12th in 2020 makes me feel that this is kind of a tryout situation. It's the completion of the D'Orio trade. 1st, 12 and Roy for D'Orio and 12 Ah okay. |
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Post by j3e4 on Aug 1, 2019 21:03:36 GMT -4
I think the best thing for SJ is to simply let this year play out and let their young guys develop. Then next off season you can re evaluate the team and see if any upgrades are needed. This part of your post I do agree with though, unless they target a forward that they really really covet and can acquire for a fair price. Then I'd pull that trigger. Otherwise I agree. Go with what you got for now and re-evaluate later. Yeah I'm with you guys on this one. I'd rather not trade for any more young guys at this point. We have a pretty solid core of those already and we're not sure how they will develop. Not to mention all the NCAA picks, some of whom may or may not show up eventually. But if we were to target a young guy in a trade, I'd prefer a F over a D. I'd really rather wait until the season that we are actually ready to contend and trade for established players at that time to fill the holes. That way we'll not only have a better idea what the needs are but also a better idea of what we are trading for. As of right now there are no 2001 born players on this team that are locks to make the team as a 20-year old in 2021-2022. On one hand that is a weakness but on the other hand it's a huge opportunity to fill holes relatively cheaply that season. |
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