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Post by Citris on Jun 8, 2019 21:34:34 GMT -4
Overall, at first look, Trevor and Anthony did a very good job - in the face of a pile of "fake news" from several reporters in Quebec. I'm thrilled with the Joshua Roy selection. Charles Savoie and Robert Orr profile to be solid 'middle six' forwards. However, Trevor and Anthony very much took the first page out of the Darryl Young playbook with the selections of Peter Reynolds, Cam MacDonald and the slew of players from New England and/or with NCAA aspirations (i.e. the rest outside possibly Carter McCluskey). If either of Reynolds or MacDonald report in a year or two, the draft could be considered brilliant. If both sign in SJ, it would be a grand slam. If neither arrive, it would likely be viewed as mediocre at best. Speaking of Carter McCluskey, he's not just a token local kid. McKeens had him rated number 90 overall and Hockey Prospects had him at 170 on their list. So, 236 could prove to be something of a late round hidden gem. McCluskey has top 5 round skill, but, his skating isn't the best, seems to be a step behind at times and as the game gets faster he'll have an even tougher time. To me, McCluskey is a pick with a high ceiling if he can improve his skating and add some explosive speed to his game. If not I'm sure he'll tear Junior A. apart. |
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 8, 2019 21:46:12 GMT -4
Overall, at first look, Trevor and Anthony did a very good job - in the face of a pile of "fake news" from several reporters in Quebec. I'm thrilled with the Joshua Roy selection. Charles Savoie and Robert Orr profile to be solid 'middle six' forwards. However, Trevor and Anthony very much took the first page out of the Darryl Young playbook with the selections of Peter Reynolds, Cam MacDonald and the slew of players from New England and/or with NCAA aspirations (i.e. the rest outside possibly Carter McCluskey). If either of Reynolds or MacDonald report in a year or two, the draft could be considered brilliant. If both sign in SJ, it would be a grand slam. If neither arrive, it would likely be viewed as mediocre at best. Speaking of Carter McCluskey, he's not just a token local kid. McKeens had him rated number 90 overall and Hockey Prospects had him at 170 on their list. So, 236 could prove to be something of a late round hidden gem. Your comments are correct - no way to evaluate the overall draft at this point, and how successful it was will be dictated by whether Reynolds and/or MacDonald report. I was also happy to see them pick Roy. At this point we have a stable up front of Guay, Cajkovic, Lawrence, Drover, Burns, Stairs and Roy; that’s 7. add in Plamondon, Jacob, MacIntosh, White, Wilson, Belisle and Savoie (from the draft today). That’s 7 more. Possibility of Williams, Reynolds and MacDonald. The back end has Villeneuve, Poirier, Desroches, Sibley, Gallant, and Musico. Maybe Kakouras. Orr from the draft. Bouthillier, Savoie and Da Silva in net. Still a top Euro to add. And who knows if another guy from last year can make the squad. Looks promising. We still have a top Euro Orr is a fw. Anthony Cliche was our top D taken. |
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Post by berner on Jun 8, 2019 21:58:42 GMT -4
Your comments are correct - no way to evaluate the overall draft at this point, and how successful it was will be dictated by whether Reynolds and/or MacDonald report. I was also happy to see them pick Roy. At this point we have a stable up front of Guay, Cajkovic, Lawrence, Drover, Burns, Stairs and Roy; that’s 7. add in Plamondon, Jacob, MacIntosh, White, Wilson, Belisle and Savoie (from the draft today). That’s 7 more. Possibility of Williams, Reynolds and MacDonald. The back end has Villeneuve, Poirier, Desroches, Sibley, Gallant, and Musico. Maybe Kakouras. Orr from the draft. Bouthillier, Savoie and Da Silva in net. Still a top Euro to add. And who knows if another guy from last year can make the squad. Looks promising. We still have a top Euro Orr is a fw. Anthony Cliche was our top D taken. Freudian slip I guess 😂 |
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Post by dogsfan1978 on Jun 9, 2019 16:21:49 GMT -4
The more I think about it the more I would’ve liked to see them draft someone that would 100% play for us with an early second round pick. Of course if Reynolds plays for us then Trevor Georgie looks like a genius but if not we waste a pick that could’ve been a good player.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Jun 9, 2019 18:40:16 GMT -4
Now Robert Orr in the 5th. He was ranked around 30th. Hey is they can get them to report great but it sounds like Georgie has lost his mind. If they cant get any of the guys to report he should be fired. For those calling for Trevor Georgie to be fired because of this draft.....why? Kids from this draft will be 18 in the year we hope to host and win a Memorial Cup. Typically, unless you are a high end 18 year old like Noah Dobson for example, 18 year olds play small roles on these teams. Bottom pair or extra D, 4th liners and "in case someone gets hurt" forwards. Thus if TG thinks there are no players that can make a big impact at age 18, but there are some from the "might not report" pile, might as well roll the dice and hope some show up. So obviously he thought Reynolds was worth the risk, and knew anything after round 2-3 likely wasn't in our plans unless he tried to hit a home run on a talented kid that dropped from saying they aren't reporting. Acquiring some 4th liners and just-in-case-of-injury players can be done anywhere along the way, for cheap. Another way to look at it? Other than Roy, someone NOT reporting from this draft probably doesn't overly hurt our Memorial Cup chances. Someone like Reynolds showing up though can greatly increase our chances. |
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Post by ysj28 on Jun 9, 2019 19:05:44 GMT -4
Reynolds will be at development camp next weekend in Saint John
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Post by juliansteed on Jun 9, 2019 21:45:40 GMT -4
Reynolds will be at development camp next weekend in Saint John That tells me that at the very least he hasn't completely ruled out playing for SJ. Georgie and company were likely aware of this when they made the selection. With that and the points made by Leask in mind, I really like the pick. |
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Post by Citris on Jun 9, 2019 23:00:40 GMT -4
For those calling for Trevor Georgie to be fired because of this draft.....why? Kids from this draft will be 18 in the year we hope to host and win a Memorial Cup. Typically, unless you are a high end 18 year old like Noah Dobson for example, 18 year olds play small roles on these teams. Bottom pair or extra D, 4th liners and "in case someone gets hurt" forwards. Thus if TG thinks there are no players that can make a big impact at age 18, but there are some from the "might not report" pile, might as well roll the dice and hope some show up. So obviously he thought Reynolds was worth the risk, and knew anything after round 2-3 likely wasn't in our plans unless he tried to hit a home run on a talented kid that dropped from saying they aren't reporting. Acquiring some 4th liners and just-in-case-of-injury players can be done anywhere along the way, for cheap. Another way to look at it? Other than Roy, someone NOT reporting from this draft probably doesn't overly hurt our Memorial Cup chances. Someone like Reynolds showing up though can greatly increase our chances. So, to be sure I don't think Georgie should be fired, but I don't necessarily agree with the philosophy. Yes, I understand that there are only so many roster spots, but the Sea Dogs aren't that deep yet that they can afford to be wasting picks. And as for players needing to make an impact at 18, look at Rouyn-Noranda... Alexis Arsenault (18), Samuel Regis (17) and Justin Bergeron(18) all had huge roles on that blueline, especially after the Neveu injury. And these guys were all picked between rounds 2 and 5. A wasted draft year will come back to bite you down the road. You may look forward and think you have lots of assets going forward, but eventually the Dogs are going to trade to load up, and those will go away quickly. There will come a time where you wish you had another few picks or prospects to trade or to fill your lineup. The Mooseheads did the same thing a few years back and it didn't work out at all for them, and when you look at the roster going into this season they're paying for it. The Dogs may not pay for it, we'll see, but that's the risk they've chosen to take. |
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Post by radarc on Jun 10, 2019 7:50:03 GMT -4
IN todays TJ - it was noted (Which I could have copied and pasted)that the Sea Dogs took the most Americans and also took 7 players that played in the US last year - and add on Anthony Cliché who played prep school for Bishops. Also stating that they don't need the amount of players to step in as 16yr olds like last year so they took shots at players that have some or no intention of playing in the Q.
It will be interesting to see which picks from this years crop and who else shows up at the development camp this weekend (also HoF weekend).
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Post by Slap Shooter on Jun 10, 2019 8:04:17 GMT -4
Now Robert Orr in the 5th. He was ranked around 30th. Hey is they can get them to report great but it sounds like Georgie has lost his mind. If they cant get any of the guys to report he should be fired. For those calling for Trevor Georgie to be fired because of this draft.....why? Kids from this draft will be 18 in the year we hope to host and win a Memorial Cup. Typically, unless you are a high end 18 year old like Noah Dobson for example, 18 year olds play small roles on these teams. Bottom pair or extra D, 4th liners and "in case someone gets hurt" forwards. Thus if TG thinks there are no players that can make a big impact at age 18, but there are some from the "might not report" pile, might as well roll the dice and hope some show up. So obviously he thought Reynolds was worth the risk, and knew anything after round 2-3 likely wasn't in our plans unless he tried to hit a home run on a talented kid that dropped from saying they aren't reporting. Acquiring some 4th liners and just-in-case-of-injury players can be done anywhere along the way, for cheap. Another way to look at it? Other than Roy, someone NOT reporting from this draft probably doesn't overly hurt our Memorial Cup chances. Someone like Reynolds showing up though can greatly increase our chances. You quoted my post right after we took our 3rd NCAA option player. Yes I was a little pissed at the time but my post a little while later said the following. This is a very important draft in our rebuild process. If he is able to get these guys mainly Reynolds and MacDonald to report then he is a genius. If Roy, Savoie, and Orr are the only assets that play for us from this draft then that is not a very good draft. Fired may have been a little harsh but we could have added a few more good players that are willing to report instead of NCAA guys and Americans. If we don't have room for some of the players we passed on in order to take the NCAA guys we could have traded them as assets. They might actually turn out to be good players though and take jobs from some of the others. Don't forget guys that we took in the 2nd 3rd, 4th rounds were keys guys in our last championship team. I didn't mind the gamble for Reynolds but after that Georgie was starting to get a little carried away. |
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Post by Slap Shooter on Jun 10, 2019 9:25:16 GMT -4
I just noticed on the Sea Dogs training camp roster they have Josh Roy listed as the following stats. He has grown. Compared to what his size was reported on the HP and CSR scouting lists.
999 * Roy, Joshua C 6'00" 192 2003-08-06
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 10, 2019 18:19:22 GMT -4
Interesting that Nause and Whynot weren't at the draft. Our next steps need to be to make the calls to see what one or both would cost and proceed from there.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 11, 2019 8:04:28 GMT -4
Reynolds will be at development camp next weekend in Saint John That tells me that at the very least he hasn't completely ruled out playing for SJ. Georgie and company were likely aware of this when they made the selection. With that and the points made by Leask in mind, I really like the pick. I don't think any Canadian kid ever completely rules out playing CHL until they make the team of an NCAA school. Reynolds is coming to the development camp because it is easy for him to do ... a one hour drive. Reynolds absence from the draft pretty much says to me which way he is leaning, but the door is always open until he officially closes it. What the draft did do was eliminate an unknown for him (and his family) and so now he knows where he would play and that it is close to home and so his family could see him play regularly if he chose the Q. If he got picked by Val D'Or I think the door would have closed even more ... but with SJ it probably opened just a tiny bit more. |
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Post by Slap Shooter on Jun 11, 2019 11:17:33 GMT -4
Story.doc (269.5 KB) Good Article in the TJ regarding the Dogs thought process in trying to convince American kids to report to the Q. You wouldn't think that players of this caliber hockey would still be in this day and age that un-educated about the CHL and Canada.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 11, 2019 11:42:36 GMT -4
View AttachmentGood Article in the TJ regarding the Dogs thought process in trying to convince American kids to report to the Q. You wouldn't think that players of this caliber hockey would still be in this day and age that un-educated about the CHL and Canada. Why would they be educated on the CHL and Canada? We don't have the same perspective because American culture is jammed down our throats here. Our kids aren't as educated on the NCAA as kids from the US are, either. It goes both ways. You know what you see. Then ask yourself how seriously you were taking life at 15 and whether you knew about Canadian universities or proper paths to take for certain careers, funding streams, etc and the fact that it's a 1 way street in what American kids are taught. |
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