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Post by Slap Shooter on Jan 7, 2020 14:26:25 GMT -4
Alexis Bélisle had decided to leave the QMJHL before the Christmas break and he had told Saint John about that but they traded him anyway. Now Victoriaville wants its picks back. If true, pretty greasy on our part. We seem to get investigated a lot compared to other teams in our transactions. I'm thinking this one, Tesink, Safin. I know there's quite a few years between those few examples but those are just what I easily remember, and I dont really remember too many other teams being investigated once in that time frame, let alone 3+ times. Halifax should have owed us two first round picks just for being stupid for making that trade. Everyone under the sun knew that Safin was injured. I'm not sure if Tesink was injured when he was traded or not but BB still got a year and a half out of him. Since the Dogs were ruled to be in the wrong, I will assume that they knew he was injured.  If Belisle did in fact say that then trading him was a dirty move on the Dogs part. |
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Post by interested on Jan 7, 2020 14:58:14 GMT -4
Alexis Bélisle had decided to leave the QMJHL before the Christmas break and he had told Saint John about that but they traded him anyway. Now Victoriaville wants its picks back. If true, pretty greasy on our part. We seem to get investigated a lot compared to other teams in our transactions. I'm thinking this one, Tesink, Safin. I know there's quite a few years between those few examples but those are just what I easily remember, and I dont really remember too many other teams being investigated once in that time frame, let alone 3+ times. Is there an investigation here, actually? It happens all the time that a player says "I'm out of here" and is then traded. The trading team may or may not share that info with potential trading partners; I think there's only a real issue if a kid says he's quitting the Q (as opposed to leaving his team) and the trading team keeps that quiet. |
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Jan 7, 2020 15:19:36 GMT -4
If true, pretty greasy on our part. We seem to get investigated a lot compared to other teams in our transactions. I'm thinking this one, Tesink, Safin. I know there's quite a few years between those few examples but those are just what I easily remember, and I dont really remember too many other teams being investigated once in that time frame, let alone 3+ times. Is there an investigation here, actually? It happens all the time that a player says "I'm out of here" and is then traded. The trading team may or may not share that info with potential trading partners; I think there's only a real issue if a kid says he's quitting the Q (as opposed to leaving his team) and the trading team keeps that quiet. This should however be disclosed to the team inquiring. |
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Post by bois on Jan 7, 2020 15:24:19 GMT -4
They traded a 6th and a 10th...... it's not a huge transaction should be quite easy to rectify if anything shady was involved
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 7, 2020 15:40:29 GMT -4
People have said that every year since he was 16 though. There's more to it then throwing the guy on the ice and letting him score. He appears to have some issues he needs to get through. Sounds like hockey should be secondary to his own mental health right now. Bathurst releasing you really isn't a good look. I agree Jack. That and I doubt Bathurst just releases their best remaining player for nothing. I dont buy the theory they released him to get the draft pick compensation. They get a 2nd and a 6th, but give up a 3rd. The difference between a Moncton 2nd and a Bathurst 3rd is likely....not much. So basically they would be releasing their best player for a 6th round pick. I'm not buying that one. Thus I tend to believe there actually was an off ice incident that caused Bathurst to release him, and if so, no way would I want to risk him on the team. Hopefully he can step away from hockey, at least at this highly competitive level, and get any help and support he needs in order to live a long happy life. Take advantage of all that tuition money he built up playing in the Q these years. Whatever. Well I think Bathurst picked him up with hope that a change of scenery would help him regain his projected talent level, and they wanted to cash in on him at this Xmas trade period. But there were no takers for him during the trade period, so on the last day of the trade period, Couturier releases him so he can cut his losses. He probably wanted to release him earlier but figured he can profit more if he can trade him. He is essentially on pace for 30 goals this year so somebody should want him. I don't think its dirty pool by Couturier ... it was simply part of the agreement, and Couturier acted within the agreement. But it was Bathurst that released the news to the hockey world that AM was dealing with mental issues ... which if I recall was a diagnosis of Bi-polar (please correct me if I am wrong, I may be mixing that up with someone else). I know they did it so that fans would cut him some slack and view him differently when he didn't live up to expectations, but they devalued him (as an asset) by doing that as well. He was also probably devalued to NHL scouts by that information. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 7, 2020 16:33:16 GMT -4
I agree Jack. That and I doubt Bathurst just releases their best remaining player for nothing. I dont buy the theory they released him to get the draft pick compensation. They get a 2nd and a 6th, but give up a 3rd. The difference between a Moncton 2nd and a Bathurst 3rd is likely....not much. So basically they would be releasing their best player for a 6th round pick. I'm not buying that one. Thus I tend to believe there actually was an off ice incident that caused Bathurst to release him, and if so, no way would I want to risk him on the team. Hopefully he can step away from hockey, at least at this highly competitive level, and get any help and support he needs in order to live a long happy life. Take advantage of all that tuition money he built up playing in the Q these years. Whatever. Well I think Bathurst picked him up with hope that a change of scenery would help him regain his projected talent level, and they wanted to cash in on him at this Xmas trade period. But there were no takers for him during the trade period, so on the last day of the trade period, Couturier releases him so he can cut his losses. He probably wanted to release him earlier but figured he can profit more if he can trade him. He is essentially on pace for 30 goals this year so somebody should want him. I don't think its dirty pool by Couturier ... it was simply part of the agreement, and Couturier acted within the agreement. But it was Bathurst that released the news to the hockey world that AM was dealing with mental issues ... which if I recall was a diagnosis of Bi-polar (please correct me if I am wrong, I may be mixing that up with someone else). I know they did it so that fans would cut him some slack and view him differently when he didn't live up to expectations, but they devalued him (as an asset) by doing that as well. He was also probably devalued to NHL scouts by that information. They seemed content to keep him through the season until the incident last week. That's what triggered the "lets cut our losses" mindset. |
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Post by Score on Jan 7, 2020 16:38:48 GMT -4
I agree Jack. That and I doubt Bathurst just releases their best remaining player for nothing. I dont buy the theory they released him to get the draft pick compensation. They get a 2nd and a 6th, but give up a 3rd. The difference between a Moncton 2nd and a Bathurst 3rd is likely....not much. So basically they would be releasing their best player for a 6th round pick. I'm not buying that one. Thus I tend to believe there actually was an off ice incident that caused Bathurst to release him, and if so, no way would I want to risk him on the team. Hopefully he can step away from hockey, at least at this highly competitive level, and get any help and support he needs in order to live a long happy life. Take advantage of all that tuition money he built up playing in the Q these years. Whatever. Well I think Bathurst picked him up with hope that a change of scenery would help him regain his projected talent level, and they wanted to cash in on him at this Xmas trade period. But there were no takers for him during the trade period, so on the last day of the trade period, Couturier releases him so he can cut his losses. He probably wanted to release him earlier but figured he can profit more if he can trade him. He is essentially on pace for 30 goals this year so somebody should want him. I don't think its dirty pool by Couturier ... it was simply part of the agreement, and Couturier acted within the agreement. But it was Bathurst that released the news to the hockey world that AM was dealing with mental issues ... which if I recall was a diagnosis of Bi-polar (please correct me if I am wrong, I may be mixing that up with someone else). I know they did it so that fans would cut him some slack and view him differently when he didn't live up to expectations, but they devalued him (as an asset) by doing that as well. He was also probably devalued to NHL scouts by that information. I was very impressed by Anderson during his/Titan last game here. Was dangerous all game.....bigger then I remembered....and seemed like a very good teammate on the ice. Also, when an Isles player, Clavelle, got hit in the mouth with the puck, Anderson was on the ice and was one player beckoning the ref to call the play and for the Isles training staff to the ice. Mental health hits home with me. Addiction hits home with me. I hope Anderson can find some peace in his life........whether that's playing hockey or not. |
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Post by bois on Jan 7, 2020 16:46:17 GMT -4
Well I think Bathurst picked him up with hope that a change of scenery would help him regain his projected talent level, and they wanted to cash in on him at this Xmas trade period. But there were no takers for him during the trade period, so on the last day of the trade period, Couturier releases him so he can cut his losses. He probably wanted to release him earlier but figured he can profit more if he can trade him. He is essentially on pace for 30 goals this year so somebody should want him. I don't think its dirty pool by Couturier ... it was simply part of the agreement, and Couturier acted within the agreement. But it was Bathurst that released the news to the hockey world that AM was dealing with mental issues ... which if I recall was a diagnosis of Bi-polar (please correct me if I am wrong, I may be mixing that up with someone else). I know they did it so that fans would cut him some slack and view him differently when he didn't live up to expectations, but they devalued him (as an asset) by doing that as well. He was also probably devalued to NHL scouts by that information. I was very impressed by Anderson during his/Titan last game here. Was dangerous all game.....bigger then I remembered....and seemed like a very good teammate on the ice. Also, when an Isles player, Clavelle, got hit in the mouth with the puck, Anderson was on the ice and was one player beckoning the ref to call the play and for the Isles training staff to the ice. Mental health hits home with me. Addiction hits home with me. I hope Anderson can find some peace in his life.... .whether that's playing hockey or not. Me too buddy me too |
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Post by interested on Jan 7, 2020 16:48:37 GMT -4
Well I think Bathurst picked him up with hope that a change of scenery would help him regain his projected talent level, and they wanted to cash in on him at this Xmas trade period. But there were no takers for him during the trade period, so on the last day of the trade period, Couturier releases him so he can cut his losses. He probably wanted to release him earlier but figured he can profit more if he can trade him. He is essentially on pace for 30 goals this year so somebody should want him. I don't think its dirty pool by Couturier ... it was simply part of the agreement, and Couturier acted within the agreement. But it was Bathurst that released the news to the hockey world that AM was dealing with mental issues ... which if I recall was a diagnosis of Bi-polar (please correct me if I am wrong, I may be mixing that up with someone else). I know they did it so that fans would cut him some slack and view him differently when he didn't live up to expectations, but they devalued him (as an asset) by doing that as well. He was also probably devalued to NHL scouts by that information. I was very impressed by Anderson during his/Titan last game here. Was dangerous all game.....bigger then I remembered....and seemed like a very good teammate on the ice. Also, when an Isles player, Clavelle, got hit in the mouth with the puck, Anderson was on the ice and was one player beckoning the ref to call the play and for the Isles training staff to the ice. Mental health hits home with me. Addiction hits home with me. I hope Anderson can find some peace in his life.... .whether that's playing hockey or not. Amen, brother! |
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Post by alpagino on Jan 7, 2020 17:57:42 GMT -4
Old news but:
Defenceman Olivier Desroches (2001) and forward Jérémie Jacob (2001) have been placed on waivers. They have since been claimed by Halifax and Acadie-Bathurst respectively. #SeaDogs15
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Post by alpagino on Jan 9, 2020 19:48:34 GMT -4
James White no longer with the team.
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Post by seadogs10 on Jan 10, 2020 10:26:23 GMT -4
Hearing Anderson MacDonald may be soon suiting up for Saint John
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Post by pinkbeaver on Jan 10, 2020 10:46:28 GMT -4
Just thinking about it today. The trade for and trading away of Nic Guay is some of the finest work by a GM in league history.
They end up getting:
- 1/2 season of Guay/leadership
- 1/2 season Durocher (decent substitute for Guay)
- Future player (Inniss??)
net cost was:
- 2 2nd's (1 2nd at 2019 trade period to Drumondville and 1 this year to Rimouski)
- 2 3rd's (both sent at the draft)
for what its worth the swap of 1sts should favour SJ as well.
TG has taken some heat on this board but he is really doing a great job managing this team.
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Post by seadogs10 on Jan 10, 2020 11:19:53 GMT -4
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Post by iraca on Jan 10, 2020 11:30:08 GMT -4
This is a mistake IMO. One of few by the management team.
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