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Post by catzfans on Apr 22, 2020 16:51:09 GMT -4
Yes. That's the year. We expected to get both PEI boys at #2 and #8 Otherwise, a great draft for us. Lajeunesse, Mirko, Dubuc, Lefrancois. The Cats were a good drafting team. even the Alpines year, Dagenais and Roger were Q stars or superstars. Quirk Thomas and Fader were good depth/role guys. Coursol and Savard were solid Q players. True. 2001 was certainly a great draft for us. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 22, 2020 17:04:10 GMT -4
The Cats were a good drafting team. even the Alpines year, Dagenais and Roger were Q stars or superstars. Quirk Thomas and Fader were good depth/role guys. Coursol and Savard were solid Q players. True. 2001 was certainly a great draft for us. That might be the single best draft in Q history, especially for a 14(?? I think) team league. Bernier and Crawford were stars/superstars Gagne was an impact player. Graham was a #2 center. Salvis was a top notch 3rd liner. Saunders was a #2 or 3 d-man. Murnaghan was a solid depth d-man. Pelham was a tough guy who could play. That's about 40% of a top team. |
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Post by kuba on Apr 22, 2020 17:43:01 GMT -4
Peter Nevin did a great scouting job during the formative years of this Franchise . He had been the Maritime Scout for Oshawa , and was the first hire of the Alpines franchise . He had a strong knowledge of the Maritime talent pool .
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 24, 2020 9:42:14 GMT -4
So here is what may really hurt us. If this league does not open up at all in 2020 then we will struggle to complete the expected plan on the Groulx-MacIsaac-Fortier trades ... where we probably trade away Pelletier and Spence (if they aren't already going to Halifax) to recoup some big draft picks that we used up to get them.
Even if the league opens up in January, we could be shut down again within a month as a new wave of the virus comes through. What team will want to risk their future by buying big for a shortened season that may never be completed. Nobody will be buying 20 yr olds anytime soon because they may never play in the league again.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 24, 2020 10:06:37 GMT -4
So here is what may really hurt us. If this league does not open up at all in 2020 then we will struggle to complete the expected plan on the Groulx-MacIsaac-Fortier trades ... where we probably trade away Pelletier and Spence (if they aren't already going to Halifax) to recoup some big draft picks that we used up to get them. Even if the league opens up in January, we could be shut down again within a month as a new wave of the virus comes through. What team will want to risk their future by buying big for a shortened season that may never be completed. Nobody will be buying 20 yr olds anytime soon because they may never play in the league again. If the country goes to hell and there is no Q next year it would help the Cats, they had a shitty team and very few picks. Skipping that year can't be bad. That being said, based on how contained the virus is in Canada, I can't see where there is no 20-21 season. I think pro sports will start with empty stadiums in June/July and CHL should be fine having full areas. If your sick people are isolated how can the virus spread? |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 24, 2020 10:20:46 GMT -4
So here is what may really hurt us. If this league does not open up at all in 2020 then we will struggle to complete the expected plan on the Groulx-MacIsaac-Fortier trades ... where we probably trade away Pelletier and Spence (if they aren't already going to Halifax) to recoup some big draft picks that we used up to get them. Even if the league opens up in January, we could be shut down again within a month as a new wave of the virus comes through. What team will want to risk their future by buying big for a shortened season that may never be completed. Nobody will be buying 20 yr olds anytime soon because they may never play in the league again. If the country goes to hell and there is no Q next year it would help the Cats, they had a shitty team and very few picks. Skipping that year can't be bad. That being said, based on how contained the virus is in Canada, I can't see where there is no 20-21 season. I think pro sports will start with empty stadiums in June/July and CHL should be fine having full areas. If your sick people are isolated how can the virus spread? What do you mean if the country goes to hell? Based on the context of this discussion we've already been in hell for 6 weeks. With an added sickening dose of tragedy for us Maritimers over the last week. As of today there's no games going to be played until January. What is out there to make you think that there's changes by January to allow mass gatherings needed for CHL hockey to be played? I'm just curious why you think it has to get worse when everything else thinks it has to get better in order to see Q hockey within the next 18 months. |
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 24, 2020 10:36:04 GMT -4
So here is what may really hurt us. If this league does not open up at all in 2020 then we will struggle to complete the expected plan on the Groulx-MacIsaac-Fortier trades ... where we probably trade away Pelletier and Spence (if they aren't already going to Halifax) to recoup some big draft picks that we used up to get them. Even if the league opens up in January, we could be shut down again within a month as a new wave of the virus comes through. What team will want to risk their future by buying big for a shortened season that may never be completed. Nobody will be buying 20 yr olds anytime soon because they may never play in the league again. If the country goes to hell and there is no Q next year it would help the Cats, they had a shitty team and very few picks. Skipping that year can't be bad. That being said, based on how contained the virus is in Canada, I can't see where there is no 20-21 season. I think pro sports will start with empty stadiums in June/July and CHL should be fine having full areas. If your sick people are isolated how can the virus spread? That would make Pelletier and Spence untradable and in no world is that good for us. We might open up in January but then we could be closed back down in March as wave two or three hit us. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 24, 2020 10:45:48 GMT -4
If the country goes to hell and there is no Q next year it would help the Cats, they had a shitty team and very few picks. Skipping that year can't be bad. That being said, based on how contained the virus is in Canada, I can't see where there is no 20-21 season. I think pro sports will start with empty stadiums in June/July and CHL should be fine having full areas. If your sick people are isolated how can the virus spread? What do you mean if the country goes to hell? Based on the context of this discussion we've already been in hell for 6 weeks. With an added sickening dose of tragedy for us Maritimers over the last week. As of today there's no games going to be played until January. What is out there to make you think that there's changes by January to allow mass gatherings needed for CHL hockey to be played? I'm just curious why you think it has to get worse when everything else thinks it has to get better in order to see Q hockey within the next 18 months. Based on how the cases are in NB and PEI, you could have Q games there in 3-4 weeks. I know in Quebec in Ontario it will be more complicated, but other than at care homes, there have been very few new cases the last 2-3 weeks. You can't get the virus unless somebody spreads it to you, IN NB and PEI it's almost dead. I think within a couple of months it will be at that point in other provinces. The risk for other leagues is the mess in the US. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 24, 2020 10:46:38 GMT -4
If the country goes to hell and there is no Q next year it would help the Cats, they had a shitty team and very few picks. Skipping that year can't be bad. That being said, based on how contained the virus is in Canada, I can't see where there is no 20-21 season. I think pro sports will start with empty stadiums in June/July and CHL should be fine having full areas. If your sick people are isolated how can the virus spread? That would make Pelletier and Spence untradable and in no world is that good for us. We might open up in January but then we could be closed back down in March as wave two or three hit us. What wave? If you don't let people from infected countries come there are no other waves. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 24, 2020 11:01:22 GMT -4
What do you mean if the country goes to hell? Based on the context of this discussion we've already been in hell for 6 weeks. With an added sickening dose of tragedy for us Maritimers over the last week. As of today there's no games going to be played until January. What is out there to make you think that there's changes by January to allow mass gatherings needed for CHL hockey to be played? I'm just curious why you think it has to get worse when everything else thinks it has to get better in order to see Q hockey within the next 18 months. Based on how the cases are in NB and PEI, you could have Q games there in 3-4 weeks. I know in Quebec in Ontario it will be more complicated, but other than at care homes, there have been very few new cases the last 2-3 weeks. You can't get the virus unless somebody spreads it to you, IN NB and PEI it's almost dead. I think within a couple of months it will be at that point in other provinces. The risk for other leagues is the mess in the US. I don't even know how to respond to most of that. That you think you could have a Q game in 3-4 weeks is simply laughable and tone deaf. We can't even go to work or gather more then 5 people at a time right now. Reasons numbers in some areas are looking so good. We'd literally lose 12-18 months of freedom for everything else if you tried re-opening sporting events by the end of May. The spike this summer in those areas would be massive and make the last few weeks of isolating completely pointless. You're getting too caught up in the numbers and not the reasons why they are so low. We can't just all come back together in the places where there are no cases and think this is over. How confident are you that an asymptomatic nurse from a long term care home isn't going to your event for example? A spread like that in a huge arena risks seeing your cases double within 2-3 weeks of that event happening. That's how the virus spreads. And we must be on the same page that no fans means no Q games. Or do you think empty arenas will host neutral site games or something? |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 24, 2020 11:03:01 GMT -4
That would make Pelletier and Spence untradable and in no world is that good for us. We might open up in January but then we could be closed back down in March as wave two or three hit us. What wave? If you don't let people from infected countries come there are no other waves. Ugh. This is just wrong. Nothing close to reality. 1 asymptomatic person going to your event risks an outbreak. Why would it have to take someone from an invisible border to cause another outbreak? Why can't someone from Moncton who already has it spread it to people who don't? |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 24, 2020 11:05:40 GMT -4
Based on how the cases are in NB and PEI, you could have Q games there in 3-4 weeks. I know in Quebec in Ontario it will be more complicated, but other than at care homes, there have been very few new cases the last 2-3 weeks. You can't get the virus unless somebody spreads it to you, IN NB and PEI it's almost dead. I think within a couple of months it will be at that point in other provinces. The risk for other leagues is the mess in the US. I don't even know how to respond to most of that. That you think you could have a Q game in 3-4 weeks is simply laughable and tone deaf. We can't even go to work or gather more then 5 people at a time right now. Reasons numbers in some areas are looking so good. We'd literally lose 12-18 months of freedom for everything else if you tried re-opening sporting events by the end of May. The spike this summer in those areas would be massive and make the last few weeks of isolating completely pointless. You're getting too caught up in the numbers and not the reasons why they are so low. We can't just all come back together in the places where there are no cases and think this is over. How confident are you that an asymptomatic nurse from a long term care home isn't going to your event for example? A spread like that in a huge arena risks seeing your cases double within 2-3 weeks of that event happening. That's how the virus spreads. And we must be on the same page that no fans means no Q games. Or do you think empty arenas will host neutral site games or something? Once a province is at 0 cases for 10 days, the only way the virus comes in is by somebody bringing it in. That's the point of isolation. Obviously Ontario and Quebec are not at the same stage, but most of their cases are in care homes. I don't think it takes 18 months to get Quebec and NS at 0 if it's handled properly. not even close. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 24, 2020 11:07:17 GMT -4
What wave? If you don't let people from infected countries come there are no other waves. Ugh. This is just wrong. Nothing close to reality. 1 asymptomatic person going to your event risks an outbreak. Why would it have to take someone from an invisible border to cause another outbreak? Why can't someone from Moncton who already has it spread it to people who don't? If somebody in Moncton has it, they will get sick within 7-10 days. Right now in NB, there are only a very few people that can spread it. Same for PEI. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 24, 2020 11:12:58 GMT -4
Once a province is at 0 cases for 10 days, the only way the virus comes in is by somebody bringing it in. That's the point of isolation. Obviously Ontario and Quebec are not at the same stage, but most of their cases are in care homes. I don't think it takes 18 months to get Quebec and NS at 0 if it's handled properly. not even close. Isolation periods are 14 days. Not 10. That kills that talk. Youd have infected people going out for 4 days. You are also using a wild assumption that everyone who needs testing has been tested. Its not about getting to 0 cases before we start doing things again. You seem to ignore that we keep being told of 2nd and 3rd waves of this because you cant keep everyone out forever and no dataset is 100% full proof. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 24, 2020 11:15:01 GMT -4
Ugh. This is just wrong. Nothing close to reality. 1 asymptomatic person going to your event risks an outbreak. Why would it have to take someone from an invisible border to cause another outbreak? Why can't someone from Moncton who already has it spread it to people who don't? If somebody in Moncton has it, they will get sick within 7-10 days. Right now in NB, there are only a very few people that can spread it. Same for PEI. You are not at all accurate or correct. Sorry, but this is pointless. Not everyone who has it gets sick from it. And there is currently no way to track asymptomatic people. |
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