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Post by Slap Shooter on Jan 21, 2021 9:36:32 GMT -4
Stephane Leroux
@stephrdsjunior
The following transaction will be confirmed later today:
The #SeaDogs acquire 20-year-old goalkeeper Zachary Emond - a hopeful
@sanjosesharks
- in return for a 6th round pick in 2022 and a 4th round pick in 2023.
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Post by Slap Shooter on Jan 21, 2021 9:41:09 GMT -4
The waste land for 20 year old goalies this year.
2020-06-06 CHICOUTIMI
Pagliarulo, Carmine-Anthony
(2000-05-18)
SAINT JOHN
RD_7, 2022 (SHA)
2020-09-11 BAIE-COMEAU
Moody, Daniel
(2000-01-01)
SAINT JOHN
RD_12, 2022
2020-09-06 RIMOUSKI
Jones, Creed
(2000-05-31)
SAINT JOHN
RD_6, 2021
RD_10, 2022 (GAT)
RD_3, 2022
The #SeaDogs acquire 20-year-old goalkeeper Zachary Emond - a hopeful
@sanjosesharks
- in return for a 6th round pick in 2022 and a 4th round pick in 2023.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 21, 2021 10:07:21 GMT -4
www.tvasports.ca/2021/01/20/sea-dogs-joshua-roy-bientot-echange-1translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&pto=aue&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=fr&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.tvasports.ca/2021/01/20/sea-dogs-joshua-roy-bientot-echange-1&usg=ALkJrhjE45h2PjR608bhZMFnE_xp4fdjbwThe first overall pick in the 2019 QMJHL Draft, Joshua Roy, wants to leave the Saint-Jean Sea Dogs. The 17-year-old forward has asked GM Trevor Georgie for a transaction and did not report to the New Brunswick roster. He should change his address in the next few days. For the moment, the reasons for this request remain extremely unclear. In the entourage of the young hockey player, they have refused for several weeks to disclose the reasons for this disagreement between Roy and the Sea Dogs. Again Wednesday, we were walking on eggshells. What we are told, however, is that it is unrelated to its use on the rink. Roy ended the opening leg of the season at the top of the team's scorers with 17 points in 15 games, while being used to all the sauces by coach Greg Gilbert. Teams in the race For the moment, the former color-bearer of the Chevaliers de Lévis has remained at home while waiting for a transaction to be completed. The native hockey player of Saint-Georges-de-Beauce wanted first and foremost to avoid complying with a mandatory quarantine by going to Saint-Jean, only to then have to do another in the very likely event that it is traded to a Quebec team . Note that Roy hasn't asked to be traded to any particular market, but our information tells us that it would be surprising for Georgie to send the 17-year-old prospect to a rival in the Maritimes. The price demanded by the Sea Dogs hockey man would be high but, as of Wednesday, several teams had shown interest and three teams were at the height of the race. Everything therefore indicates that it will change its address by the transaction deadline, January 25. Draft year It's not exactly an ideal scenario for a young hockey player who is in his draft year, let's face it. On the preliminary list of the Central Recruiting of the NHL, published at the end of October, Roy had obtained a rating "B", reserved for prospects of second or third round. Joined Wednesday morning, the agent of the Beauceron striker, Olivier Fortier, assured that this situation would not harm his client. “Joshua won't have a problem with that. When everyone will know the circumstances, they will understand, ”he simply said, also refusing to give further details. For his part, Trevor Georgie did not respond to our calls. I love reading translated articles. That's awesome. |
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Post by seaofblue on Jan 21, 2021 11:50:10 GMT -4
The waste land for 20 year old goalies this year. 2020-06-06 CHICOUTIMI Pagliarulo, Carmine-Anthony (2000-05-18) SAINT JOHN RD_7, 2022 (SHA) 2020-09-11 BAIE-COMEAU Moody, Daniel (2000-01-01) SAINT JOHN RD_12, 2022 2020-09-06 RIMOUSKI Jones, Creed (2000-05-31) SAINT JOHN RD_6, 2021 RD_10, 2022 (GAT) RD_3, 2022 The #SeaDogs acquire 20-year-old goalkeeper Zachary Emond - a hopeful @sanjosesharks - in return for a 6th round pick in 2022 and a 4th round pick in 2023. I would not be surprised to see them receive most of those picks back. The 12th is no big deal, but they probably get the 7th and most of the Jones package back. Same with the Kotkov 3rd. They also paid a 9th and a 10th for Roode and Dow respectively, and so far Roode has only played 2 games for them (he is still on the roster at least, and was only going to be a depth guy anyways). At best I can see them losing some of those really late round picks, and really Saint John probably doesn't care. They make up for it with guys they bring in for free from Ontario. Emond is a good return for practically no cost. Hopefully they can add a 20 year old defenseman as well. |
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Post by bois on Jan 21, 2021 11:58:42 GMT -4
The waste land for 20 year old goalies this year. 2020-06-06 CHICOUTIMI Pagliarulo, Carmine-Anthony (2000-05-18) SAINT JOHN RD_7, 2022 (SHA) 2020-09-11 BAIE-COMEAU Moody, Daniel (2000-01-01) SAINT JOHN RD_12, 2022 2020-09-06 RIMOUSKI Jones, Creed (2000-05-31) SAINT JOHN RD_6, 2021 RD_10, 2022 (GAT) RD_3, 2022 The #SeaDogs acquire 20-year-old goalkeeper Zachary Emond - a hopeful @sanjosesharks - in return for a 6th round pick in 2022 and a 4th round pick in 2023. I would not be surprised to see them receive most of those picks back. Emond is a good return for practically no cost. Hopefully they can add a 20 year old defenseman as well. why would you expect to get the picks back? i highly doubt you will all those guys dressed did they not? |
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Post by coconutneck on Jan 21, 2021 12:05:53 GMT -4
The waste land for 20 year old goalies this year. 2020-06-06 CHICOUTIMI Pagliarulo, Carmine-Anthony (2000-05-18) SAINT JOHN RD_7, 2022 (SHA) 2020-09-11 BAIE-COMEAU Moody, Daniel (2000-01-01) SAINT JOHN RD_12, 2022 2020-09-06 RIMOUSKI Jones, Creed (2000-05-31) SAINT JOHN RD_6, 2021 RD_10, 2022 (GAT) RD_3, 2022 The #SeaDogs acquire 20-year-old goalkeeper Zachary Emond - a hopeful @sanjosesharks - in return for a 6th round pick in 2022 and a 4th round pick in 2023. Well might as well go for a 5th 20yo, go get gravel |
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Post by seaofblue on Jan 21, 2021 12:08:36 GMT -4
I would not be surprised to see them receive most of those picks back. Emond is a good return for practically no cost. Hopefully they can add a 20 year old defenseman as well. why would you expect to get the picks back? i highly doubt you will all those guys dressed did they not? Pagliarulo did not. Moody did not, although I doubt they care much about getting a 12th round pick back. Jones did for 5 games, which is hardly anything. I would not be surprised if there were conditions attached based on # of games played or if they play in the playoffs, especially with the Covid uncertainty. I highly doubt they were willing to pay a 3rd, 6th, and a 10th for 5 games, much of which was the result of Covid. They likely don't get anything for Roode since he is still on the roster, and Dow only cost a 10th so they may not get anything for him, but they should be getting something back for Kotkov if he does not show up (probably the 3rd round pick). We will see how it shakes out, but that is how it usually works. The Fortier trade worked out that way, with Moncton receiving a 3rd if he played a game and a 1st if he played a playoff game. Since he is not returning to the QMJHL, Moncton is not receiving anything. I wouldn't be surprised to see at least the Jones deal structured a similar way. |
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Post by bois on Jan 21, 2021 12:12:54 GMT -4
Not Rimouski's fault you paid for a guy who apparently was not that good
i would think the other deals were structured to pay more if the player actually played the season
but thats just me...... i really doubt you are owed anything... the guys did play pre season games ...... again not the other teams fault if you determine the player is not worthy a roster spot
its not remotely comparable to Fortier at all (Kotkov i would agree on but we were talking the carousel of 20 year old goalies)....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 12:23:22 GMT -4
The waste land for 20 year old goalies this year. 2020-06-06 CHICOUTIMI Pagliarulo, Carmine-Anthony (2000-05-18) SAINT JOHN RD_7, 2022 (SHA) 2020-09-11 BAIE-COMEAU Moody, Daniel (2000-01-01) SAINT JOHN RD_12, 2022 2020-09-06 RIMOUSKI Jones, Creed (2000-05-31) SAINT JOHN RD_6, 2021 RD_10, 2022 (GAT) RD_3, 2022 The #SeaDogs acquire 20-year-old goalkeeper Zachary Emond - a hopeful @sanjosesharks - in return for a 6th round pick in 2022 and a 4th round pick in 2023. So essentially a 3,4,6,6,7,10, and a 12 for a 20 year old goalie? Lol |
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Post by j3e4 on Jan 21, 2021 12:41:27 GMT -4
why would you expect to get the picks back? i highly doubt you will all those guys dressed did they not? Pagliarulo did not. Moody did not, although I doubt they care much about getting a 12th round pick back. Jones did for 5 games, which is hardly anything. I would not be surprised if there were conditions attached based on # of games played or if they play in the playoffs, especially with the Covid uncertainty. I highly doubt they were willing to pay a 3rd, 6th, and a 10th for 5 games, much of which was the result of Covid. They likely don't get anything for Roode since he is still on the roster, and Dow only cost a 10th so they may not get anything for him, but they should be getting something back for Kotkov if he does not show up (probably the 3rd round pick). We will see how it shakes out, but that is how it usually works. The Fortier trade worked out that way, with Moncton receiving a 3rd if he played a game and a 1st if he played a playoff game. Since he is not returning to the QMJHL, Moncton is not receiving anything. I wouldn't be surprised to see at least the Jones deal structured a similar way. There might have been conditions attached related to # of games played because of Covid. But if Covid is not the reason the player's time with the team is cut short then that condition wouldn't come into play. |
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Post by Slap Shooter on Jan 21, 2021 13:00:43 GMT -4
The waste land for 20 year old goalies this year. 2020-06-06 CHICOUTIMI Pagliarulo, Carmine-Anthony (2000-05-18) SAINT JOHN RD_7, 2022 (SHA) 2020-09-11 BAIE-COMEAU Moody, Daniel (2000-01-01) SAINT JOHN RD_12, 2022 2020-09-06 RIMOUSKI Jones, Creed (2000-05-31) SAINT JOHN RD_6, 2021 RD_10, 2022 (GAT) RD_3, 2022 The #SeaDogs acquire 20-year-old goalkeeper Zachary Emond - a hopeful @sanjosesharks - in return for a 6th round pick in 2022 and a 4th round pick in 2023. So essentially a 3,4,6,6,7,10, and a 12 for a 20 year old goalie? Lol Yeah I agree but not funny for a Sea Dogs fan. These were all half decent goalies and thought to be good trades when they made them. But they haven't addressed the real issue yet and that is team defense. I am sure we will be ready to move on from Emond by the end of the year if we stay status quo defensively. |
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Post by seaofblue on Jan 21, 2021 13:20:33 GMT -4
Not Rimouski's fault you paid for a guy who apparently was not that good i would think the other deals were structured to pay more if the player actually played the season but thats just me...... i really doubt you are owed anything... the guys did play pre season games ...... again not the other teams fault if you determine the player is not worthy a roster spot its not remotely comparable to Fortier at all (Kotkov i would agree on but we were talking the carousel of 20 year old goalies).... Depends on the conditions. For the later round guys, they probably don't care. Pagliarulo and Alex O'Neill (who played just as many preseason games) can just be deemed a wash, since Chicoutimi and Saint John effectively just swapped 7th's in 2021 and 2022. Neither ended up playing in the QMJHL this year. When it comes to earlier round picks, like for Jones or Kotkov, the conditions are likely more strict than just showing up, especially with Covid. Georgie could have just been stupid and not included those conditions, but teams are not usually willing to give up those earlier picks without getting some kind of expectation of legitimate return... And that will certainly should exceed playing 5 games. |
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Post by seaofblue on Jan 21, 2021 13:35:04 GMT -4
Pagliarulo did not. Moody did not, although I doubt they care much about getting a 12th round pick back. Jones did for 5 games, which is hardly anything. I would not be surprised if there were conditions attached based on # of games played or if they play in the playoffs, especially with the Covid uncertainty. I highly doubt they were willing to pay a 3rd, 6th, and a 10th for 5 games, much of which was the result of Covid. They likely don't get anything for Roode since he is still on the roster, and Dow only cost a 10th so they may not get anything for him, but they should be getting something back for Kotkov if he does not show up (probably the 3rd round pick). We will see how it shakes out, but that is how it usually works. The Fortier trade worked out that way, with Moncton receiving a 3rd if he played a game and a 1st if he played a playoff game. Since he is not returning to the QMJHL, Moncton is not receiving anything. I wouldn't be surprised to see at least the Jones deal structured a similar way. There might have been conditions attached related to # of games played because of Covid. But if Covid is not the reason the player's time with the team is cut short then that condition wouldn't come into play.I highly doubt the conditions will specifically specify "due to Covid", because how can they prove that? Unless it is because all games are cancelled due to Covid. Jones could simply decide he wants to stay in Ontario due to Covid, or it could be because Saint John decided he is not good enough. How do they prove one over the other? It really depends on how the deal was negotiated, but I would be very surprised if these GMs did not protect themselves in some way, especially with these preseason deals. |
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Post by killer on Jan 21, 2021 13:37:32 GMT -4
Not Rimouski's fault you paid for a guy who apparently was not that good i would think the other deals were structured to pay more if the player actually played the season but thats just me...... i really doubt you are owed anything... the guys did play pre season games ...... again not the other teams fault if you determine the player is not worthy a roster spot its not remotely comparable to Fortier at all (Kotkov i would agree on but we were talking the carousel of 20 year old goalies).... Depends on the conditions. For the later round guys, they probably don't care. Pagliarulo and Alex O'Neill (who played just as many preseason games) can just be deemed a wash, since Chicoutimi and Saint John effectively just swapped 7th's in 2021 and 2022. Neither ended up playing in the QMJHL this year. When it comes to earlier round picks, like for Jones or Kotkov, the conditions are likely more strict than just showing up, especially with Covid. Georgie could have just been stupid and not included those conditions, but teams are not usually willing to give up those earlier picks without getting some kind of expectation of legitimate return... And that will certainly should exceed playing 5 games. They will get nothing in return for the Jones trade. That is all on Georgie for paying that price and it not working out. It’s no fault of Rimouski that they were not happy with his play and by the looks of things have cut Jones.... |
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Post by j3e4 on Jan 21, 2021 13:53:09 GMT -4
There might have been conditions attached related to # of games played because of Covid. But if Covid is not the reason the player's time with the team is cut short then that condition wouldn't come into play.I highly doubt the conditions will specifically specify "due to Covid", because how can they prove that? Unless it is because all games are cancelled due to Covid. Jones could simply decide he wants to stay in Ontario due to Covid, or it could be because Saint John decided he is not good enough. How do they prove one over the other? It really depends on how the deal was negotiated, but I would be very surprised if these GMs did not protect themselves in some way, especially with these preseason deals. Yes I was referring to the season being cut short due to Covid. I'm sure many trades have those types of conditions. I realize there is the added complications that Covid can have on certain individuals but in my opinion that is just another element of the risk you take when acquiring a player. Nothing is for certain. Same as players that were already on the roster. It could just as easily be one of them that decides to sit out the rest of the season because of Covid. As for this new goalie, the price actually seems quite low. My guess is that conditions tied to that deal would potentially result in the price going up. |
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