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Post by Citris on Jan 10, 2021 13:57:01 GMT -4
If you are hating the Drover deal, it is probably because you don't remember the players he and Larose were at the time. That was a ridiculous thing for CB to do from a value standpoint and competent ownership would have fired their GM if he tried to justify overpaying by saying RHD cost more. Drover didn't become the player we hoped he'd be by now, but that trade was still a good move. I remember at the time everyone thought Marc-Andre Dumont got fleeced. In retrospect, Larose has become a top offensive defenseman in the league and has developed the way the Sea Dogs thought he would when they originally picked him up.... Drover didn't develop as expected. ALTHOUGH, there's some potential for massive irony here. When Larose was originally acquired as a 17 year old Rookie by the Sea Dogs, there were a few eyebrows raised by the price they paid. He didn't develop in SJ, but, was traded at 18 and ended up flourishing on a new team. Drover was acquired at 16, but was a 17 year old rookie, and now is being moved halfway through his 18 year old season as well. If Drover ends up being a 90-100 point guy at 20, as he was expected to be when he was drafted... well that'd be a kick in the teeth. |
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Post by Briwhel on Jan 10, 2021 14:24:59 GMT -4
Drover becoming an elite forward in Riki doesn't mean he would have done the same here.
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Post by seaofblue on Jan 10, 2021 17:16:03 GMT -4
If Roy is moved, do they sell other guys too? They invested heavily into Inniss and Girouard for two years, so while they will be back as OA's, I imagine they wanted to get stuff done this year too.
It likely depends if they get immediate help in return for Roy on top of a haul of picks (if they move him at all), and whether they can strike other deals to help them win without breaking the bank. Knowing what is going to happen with their Euros would be most beneficial. A guy like Hampl would be great bottom pairing depth, while Svechkov or Kotkov could go immediately into the top 6.
Saint John still has a ton of talent on their roster and with a few additions to build around their young core, they could end up going a lot further than people think. At the very least the experience gained by the 02/03/04 players will likely be more valuable than the picks they trade to add some support.
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Post by Briwhel on Jan 10, 2021 17:22:58 GMT -4
If Roy is moved, do they sell other guys too? They invested heavily into Inniss and Girouard for two years, so while they will be back as OA's, I imagine they wanted to get stuff done this year too. It likely depends if they get immediate help in return for Roy on top of a haul of picks (if they move him at all), and whether they can strike other deals to help them win without breaking the bank. Knowing what is going to happen with their Euros would be most beneficial. A guy like Hampl would be great bottom pairing depth, while Svechkov or Kotkov could go immediately into the top 6. Saint John still has a ton of talent on their roster and with a few additions to build around their young core, they could end up going a lot further than people think. At the very least the experience gained by the 02/03/04 players will likely be more valuable than the picks they trade to add some support. Don't read too much into the Roy situation. His moron of an agent requested a trade and made an announcement that would guarantee Roy doesn't get drafted if he followed through with the threat. He is also the moron that suggested that Lafreniere was going to play in Europe without ever consulting NYR for what it's worth. |
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Post by Slap Shooter on Jan 10, 2021 17:54:02 GMT -4
I don't know if there is any truth to it or not but where there is smoke there is usually fire.
Especially if it is coming from his agent. Even if he is a moron.
Not sure what you mean about guaranteeing that he would not get drafted.
Do you mean to the nhl or the stunt at the Q draft?
I just hope they get an excellent return if they move him.
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Post by Briwhel on Jan 10, 2021 17:56:55 GMT -4
I don't know if there is any truth to it or not but where there is smoke there is usually fire. Especially if it is coming from his agent. Even if he is a moron. Not sure what you mean about guaranteeing that he would not get drafted. Do you mean to the nhl or the stunt at the Q draft? I just hope they can get a good return if they move him. An nhl team doesn't look highly on walking out on your team. As far as I know, Roy is perfectly content in SJ. |
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Post by seaofblue on Jan 10, 2021 17:57:05 GMT -4
If Roy is moved, do they sell other guys too? They invested heavily into Inniss and Girouard for two years, so while they will be back as OA's, I imagine they wanted to get stuff done this year too. It likely depends if they get immediate help in return for Roy on top of a haul of picks (if they move him at all), and whether they can strike other deals to help them win without breaking the bank. Knowing what is going to happen with their Euros would be most beneficial. A guy like Hampl would be great bottom pairing depth, while Svechkov or Kotkov could go immediately into the top 6. Saint John still has a ton of talent on their roster and with a few additions to build around their young core, they could end up going a lot further than people think. At the very least the experience gained by the 02/03/04 players will likely be more valuable than the picks they trade to add some support. Don't read too much into the Roy situation. His moron of an agent requested a trade and made an announcement that would guarantee Roy doesn't get drafted if he followed through with the threat. He is also the moron that suggested that Lafreniere was going to play in Europe without ever consulting NYR for what it's worth. Fair enough. Either way, I doubt it matters a whole lot as long as Saint John gets the right return. It is not like they are short on talented young forwards right now. In terms of everything else, it really just seems like Kotkov and Svechkov are holding things up. It is hard for Saint John to really do anything without those two figured out, unless they decide they are fine with dropping Leonard if Kotkov shows up (since I think an OA acquisition is the only move they'd really consider making at this point) and Hampl (assuming he arrives himself) if Svechkov shows up. Neither would be devastating losses considering the quality of their replacements, and Hampl could be on the outside looking in anyways if they are looking at OA defensemen like Baker right now. |
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Post by seaofblue on Jan 10, 2021 17:59:02 GMT -4
I don't know if there is any truth to it or not but where there is smoke there is usually fire. Especially if it is coming from his agent. Even if he is a moron. Not sure what you mean about guaranteeing that he would not get drafted. Do you mean to the nhl or the stunt at the Q draft? I just hope they can get a good return if they move him. An nhl team doesn't look highly on walking out on your team. As far as I know, Roy is perfectly content in SJ. NHL teams don't care as long as it is not the player who is the problem. NHL teams are used to dealing with asshole agents all of the time. They just don't want to deal with asshole players, but even then, Roy is too talented not to get drafted. He just may end up going a round or two later than his skill dictates. |
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Post by Briwhel on Jan 10, 2021 18:19:08 GMT -4
An nhl team doesn't look highly on walking out on your team. As far as I know, Roy is perfectly content in SJ. NHL teams don't care as long as it is not the player who is the problem. NHL teams are used to dealing with asshole agents all of the time. They just don't want to deal with asshole players, but even then, Roy is too talented not to get drafted. He just may end up going a round or two later than his skill dictates. An nhl team will overlook a trade demand. They would not overlook a player deciding at Christmas to abandon his team. We will obv take calls, but he will come back if he isn't moved. |
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Post by statsman18 on Jan 10, 2021 18:34:43 GMT -4
NHL teams don't care as long as it is not the player who is the problem. NHL teams are used to dealing with asshole agents all of the time. They just don't want to deal with asshole players, but even then, Roy is too talented not to get drafted. He just may end up going a round or two later than his skill dictates. An nhl team will overlook a trade demand. They would not overlook a player deciding at Christmas to abandon his team. We will obv take calls, but he will come back if he isn't moved. In a pandemic when it means he doesn’t have to quarantine again for 14 days. Also with the case count in Quebec does any one know if any of his family have been affected and the family’s health? There’s a lot of unknowns to not wanting to go to Atlantic Canada. The Pandemic give a little bit of a pardon on trade request. However if it’s the good old fashion I don’t get a long with the coach or teammates thing going on here then yes NHL teams will look poorly on that. |
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Post by hal on Jan 10, 2021 18:38:00 GMT -4
I don't know if there is any truth to it or not but where there is smoke there is usually fire. Especially if it is coming from his agent. Even if he is a moron. Not sure what you mean about guaranteeing that he would not get drafted. Do you mean to the nhl or the stunt at the Q draft? I just hope they can get a good return if they move him. An nhl team doesn't look highly on walking out on your team. As far as I know, Roy is perfectly content in SJ. Didn't seem to hurt Jonathan Drouin and he has done it several times at the CHL , AHL and NHL Levels . Talented Players always seem to get 2nd , 3rd , 4th Chances . |
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Post by Slap Shooter on Jan 10, 2021 18:38:43 GMT -4
I'm hoping it is all BS. Roy was starting to come on in the 2nd half last year and continuing to get better this year. He will be very good at 18 and 19.
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Post by Briwhel on Jan 10, 2021 18:43:26 GMT -4
An nhl team doesn't look highly on walking out on your team. As far as I know, Roy is perfectly content in SJ. Didn't seem to hurt Jonathan Drouin and he has done it several times at the CHL , AHL and NHL Levels . Talented Players always seem to get 2nd , 3rd , 4th Chances . Drouin didn't walk out on anyone. There is a difference between having options (and using them to choose your team) and going home and not playing in the 2nd half because your agent thinks somehow it improves your draft stock. |
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Post by j3e4 on Jan 10, 2021 18:54:32 GMT -4
Really starting to hate the Drover deal, not the one from this week but the one from 2 years ago. I like Drover but what was point in giving up Larose for him if we weren't going to give Drover much of a chance? We finished that season with two 20-year old defenseman and weren't going anywhere anyway, so Larose's absence wasn't really missed. But last season our top defenseman were a bunch of 17 year olds giving up insane amounts of shots each night. It wasn't a "go for it" season but a transitional year in the cycle and would have been nice to have had a 19 year old top defenseman instead of a 17 year old bottom 6 forward. And now this season we trade Drover away, and we're apparently looking for a 20 year old defenseman and interested in one from CB of all teams? If you are hating the Drover deal, it is probably because you don't remember the players he and Larose were at the time. That was a ridiculous thing for CB to do from a value standpoint and competent ownership would have fired their GM if he tried to justify overpaying by saying RHD cost more. Drover didn't become the player we hoped he'd be by now, but that trade was still a good move. I was a fan of the move at the time. I'm saying in hindsight I don't like it at all because they barely gave him much of a chance here. All this being said, it's not lost on me that Larose might not have developed into the same player here (without a true D coach) that he did in CB. But I still think he could have helped quite a bit last season and this season. |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Jan 10, 2021 18:57:14 GMT -4
Dawson Stairs is another player who will likely be traded before the deadline.
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