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Post by islander19 on Jun 21, 2022 17:13:33 GMT -4
damn... trade basically 1 for 1 so the 2 3rds and 2 4ths will be sent back to you guys for Guay. I mean the trade had futures written all over it for sure but didn't expect Guay to be the one to go for that price. Apparently Blainville isn't done either and is expected to go all-in this year. Kind of off topic, but why would they go all in? Obviously if they’re getting Guay then they are, but they were a .500 team this year…do they have some young studs? I’m not familiar enough with their team to know, but they just traded Roy and Tourigny, I can’t imagine they’ll be a top contender without making a bunch of moves? Should be interesting |
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Post by bois on Jun 21, 2022 17:27:02 GMT -4
At the time of the trade guay was essentially a goal per game its not like he exploded after xmas lol
If thats the final deal its pretty bad honestly
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Post by jordo999 on Jun 21, 2022 17:34:12 GMT -4
damn... trade basically 1 for 1 so the 2 3rds and 2 4ths will be sent back to you guys for Guay. I mean the trade had futures written all over it for sure but didn't expect Guay to be the one to go for that price. Apparently Blainville isn't done either and is expected to go all-in this year. Kind of off topic, but why would they go all in? Obviously if they’re getting Guay then they are, but they were a .500 team this year…do they have some young studs? I’m not familiar enough with their team to know, but they just traded Roy and Tourigny, I can’t imagine they’ll be a top contender without making a bunch of moves? Should be interesting I thought it was a bit strange as well but they have a few good pieces in Gendron (30 goals), Boutin, Ravinskis, Denis, Fauchon, Brisson, Bourque. Add Guay and another top forward to that mix and that's a decent top 9. However a lot of these guys are around 0.5 PPG players so they'd need to take some big steps. It seems more beneficial to them if they contended in 2023-2024 and not this coming season but a lot has been said over on Twitter about them going all-in. I can't see them competing with Gatineau though. They did lose 3 of their top 5 scorers from last year as well. aside from Schmitt and maybe Cardinal their backend is relatively weak. And is Gravel able to take the next step and become a true starting goalie. |
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Post by jordo999 on Jun 21, 2022 17:36:11 GMT -4
At the time of the trade guay was essentially a goal per game its not like he exploded after xmas lol If thats the final deal its pretty bad honestly to be fair Zach Roy was one of the more highly anticipated trade targets and had 36 points in 30 games as a 1.5 year player as well so his value at the time was really high. Mind you Guay's goal scoring is more valuable imo. |
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Post by bois on Jun 21, 2022 18:44:28 GMT -4
I am pretty certain Guay was leading the league in goals and top 3 in points when the Roy trade happened. If he was being used as futures we should have been targeting bigger fish than z roy.
Anyways im not believing martin lahie or whatever his name is if guay is going to blainville at the draft im believing there will be more than the picks coming back.
If not then this is a rare failure by gm hulton
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Post by statsman18 on Jun 21, 2022 19:03:50 GMT -4
I’ll be curious to see the return JH gets for Biakabatuka.. we paid a TON for him Your probably going to be disappointed with the return there. He basically part of the Stairs trade. The 6th that was part of that will be coming back and probably another pick. CB does own your 2nd rounder so maybe that too. |
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Post by Fiveholesniper on Jun 21, 2022 19:58:17 GMT -4
I’ll be curious to see the return JH gets for Biakabatuka.. we paid a TON for him Your probably going to be disappointed with the return there. He basically part of the Stairs trade. The 6th that was part of that will be coming back and probably another pick. CB does own your 2nd rounder so maybe that too. I’ve heard one of the squires boys coming to chtown |
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Post by L'il Boy on Jun 21, 2022 20:04:19 GMT -4
I would like to know how many assists Simoneau got on Guay's 55 goals. I can tell you with certainty that of Patrick Guay's first 28 goals, Simoneau had 11 assists, and was on the ice for three others. Brabanec had 10 assists, and was on the ice for 21 of them. 12 of Guays first 27 goals were PP goals, and one was SH. Simoneau assisted on 6 of Guay's PP goals, and had the lone assist on his SH goal. I did this exercise at that time (February 10th) because a SNB fan tried to tell me that Simoneau, Guay, and Budgell played on the top line together in the first half. Edit: I did the rest of the season.....Of Guay's 55 goals, Simoneau had 18 assists. 7 of those were PP assists, and 2 were SH assists.
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Post by L'il Boy on Jun 21, 2022 20:42:41 GMT -4
Kind of off topic, but why would they go all in? Obviously if they’re getting Guay then they are, but they were a .500 team this year…do they have some young studs? I’m not familiar enough with their team to know, but they just traded Roy and Tourigny, I can’t imagine they’ll be a top contender without making a bunch of moves? Should be interesting I thought it was a bit strange as well but they have a few good pieces in Gendron (30 goals), Boutin, Ravinskis, Denis, Fauchon, Brisson, Bourque. Add Guay and another top forward to that mix and that's a decent top 9. However a lot of these guys are around 0.5 PPG players so they'd need to take some big steps. It seems more beneficial to them if they contended in 2023-2024 and not this coming season but a lot has been said over on Twitter about them going all-in. I can't see them competing with Gatineau though. They did lose 3 of their top 5 scorers from last year as well. aside from Schmitt and maybe Cardinal their backend is relatively weak. And is Gravel able to take the next step and become a true starting goalie. You have to think that if that's the return for Guay, there must be something big going back to BLB for Tourigny as well. |
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Post by JEagle on Jun 21, 2022 20:48:02 GMT -4
Your probably going to be disappointed with the return there. He basically part of the Stairs trade. The 6th that was part of that will be coming back and probably another pick. CB does own your 2nd rounder so maybe that too. I’ve heard one of the squires boys coming to chtown If that ended up being the case it'd be Jacob Squires who'll be a 19yo defenceman next season. |
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Post by classiccaper on Jun 21, 2022 20:49:34 GMT -4
Your probably going to be disappointed with the return there. He basically part of the Stairs trade. The 6th that was part of that will be coming back and probably another pick. CB does own your 2nd rounder so maybe that too. I’ve heard one of the squires boys coming to chtown if thats the case, i can all but assure you its not young cam squires. Maybe his 19 year old brother who is a dman as we have a surplus of dmen. But if i was a betting man, id say the isles 2nd and maybe another pick. But if it was squires and 2nd id be fine with that as well |
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Post by jordo999 on Jun 22, 2022 10:22:14 GMT -4
I thought it was a bit strange as well but they have a few good pieces in Gendron (30 goals), Boutin, Ravinskis, Denis, Fauchon, Brisson, Bourque. Add Guay and another top forward to that mix and that's a decent top 9. However a lot of these guys are around 0.5 PPG players so they'd need to take some big steps. It seems more beneficial to them if they contended in 2023-2024 and not this coming season but a lot has been said over on Twitter about them going all-in. I can't see them competing with Gatineau though. They did lose 3 of their top 5 scorers from last year as well. aside from Schmitt and maybe Cardinal their backend is relatively weak. And is Gravel able to take the next step and become a true starting goalie. You have to think that if that's the return for Guay, there must be something big going back to BLB for Tourigny as well. Well not necessarily, Roy and Guay were both above PPG players who will be in the league for 1.5 years. We gave up higher picks for Tourigny and he's not likely to be back in the Q so was only here for 0.5 of a season. If he returns maybe there is more attached but right now Zach Biggar is going to BLB to complete the Tourigny trade. Biggar is a 2 year player now for them and easily their best defenseman and could put up 40-50 points this year running their powerplay. I actually forgot to list his name in the original post above regarding BLB's team this coming season. Charlottetown very well could get more from BLB for Guay but everyone on twitter is saying the deal is 1 for 1. But we will find out soon enough either way. |
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Post by Naomi on Jun 22, 2022 10:47:22 GMT -4
Quebec media will never miss an opportunity to make a Maritime team look bad. Them saying Guay to BLB is a 1 for 1 deal doesn't mean anything until the trade actually happens.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 22, 2022 11:08:37 GMT -4
Quebec media will never miss an opportunity to make a Maritime team look bad. Them saying Guay to BLB is a 1 for 1 deal doesn't mean anything until the trade actually happens. I'm sure they're just reporting what the teams are telling them. This is a league where the media had Courturier to CB a month ago and he and the Eagles want you to believe they never talked until 2 weeks ago. I would say they're reporting that because thats what the deal is. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 22, 2022 11:18:27 GMT -4
Quebec media will never miss an opportunity to make a Maritime team look bad. Them saying Guay to BLB is a 1 for 1 deal doesn't mean anything until the trade actually happens. How so? These "leaks" are usually direct from GM's but they can't comment officially. I think from the standpoint of getting a 19 year old with 11-25-36 in 30 games at midseason, that is worth close to Guay for 1 year. It's a steep price but 19 year olds go for a lot at midseason. The Roy trade as it was looked ridiculously cheap(4th in 2022, 3rd in 2023, 3rd in 2023 & 4th in 2024). Sucks that you lose Guay as a trade chip for the rebuild but Roy(20), Trudeau(20), Lapenna(20) Brabanec(Euro-19) and Plandowski(19) should all be nice trade chips in July or midseaaon. |
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