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Post by bois on Jun 22, 2022 13:21:06 GMT -4
Quebec media will never miss an opportunity to make a Maritime team look bad. Them saying Guay to BLB is a 1 for 1 deal doesn't mean anything until the trade actually happens. How so? These "leaks" are usually direct from GM's but they can't comment officially. I think from the standpoint of getting a 19 year old with 11-25-36 in 30 games at midseason, that is worth close to Guay for 1 year. It's a steep price but 19 year olds go for a lot at midseason. The Roy trade as it was looked ridiculously cheap(4th in 2022, 3rd in 2023, 3rd in 2023 & 4th in 2024). Sucks that you lose Guay as a trade chip for the rebuild but Roy(20), Trudeau(20), Lapenna(20) Brabanec(Euro-19) and Plandowski(19) should all be nice trade chips in July or midseaaon. i think anybody who follows the league half closely for many years knew there was futures to the Roy acquisition i would hope tho that there is more to it than just Patrcik Guay in return.... because he is absolutely worth way more than Zach Roy for a half season or 1.5 seasons even if we got the PPG version of Zach Roy which we did not... not totally his fault but he never really looked like a top player aside for a handful of games with us anyways it's all part of the game..... Hulton is a great GM..... but even great GM's gamble and lose once in awhile and if this deal winds up being just Roy for Guay in the end he will have lost big |
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Post by switchback on Jun 22, 2022 13:31:43 GMT -4
Well it’s Roy plus 2 3rds and 2 4ths for Guay so not 1 for 1 but still not ideal
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Post by bois on Jun 22, 2022 13:34:27 GMT -4
Well it’s Roy plus 2 3rds and 2 4ths for Guay so not 1 for 1 but still not ideal no its not if the picks are simply transferred back and forth they cancel out i still will hold out hope theres a young roster player or a higher draft pick coming our way as well..... but if not it is what it is and lets hope Roy has a big season to up the value of moving him..... because his value is actually quite a bit lower right now than it ever was |
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 22, 2022 13:38:43 GMT -4
Well it’s Roy plus 2 3rds and 2 4ths for Guay so not 1 for 1 but still not ideal no its not if the picks are simply transferred back and forth they cancel out i still will hold out hope theres a young roster player or a higher draft pick coming our way as well..... but if not it is what it is and lets hope Roy has a big season to up the value of moving him..... because his value is actually quite a bit lower right now than it ever was Charlottetown might be able to rebuild Roy's value. He's going to play 1st line, 1st PP on a team with limited depth, so he should get lots of opportunities to put up points so that he can be moved at Christmas (this is essentially what BLB did). Depending on what Charlottetown does for 20s, they could hypothetically try the same thing with Stairs. |
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Post by bois on Jun 22, 2022 13:40:49 GMT -4
no its not if the picks are simply transferred back and forth they cancel out i still will hold out hope theres a young roster player or a higher draft pick coming our way as well..... but if not it is what it is and lets hope Roy has a big season to up the value of moving him..... because his value is actually quite a bit lower right now than it ever was Charlottetown might be able to rebuild Roy's value. He's going to play 1st line, 1st PP on a team with limited depth, so he should get lots of opportunities to put up points so that he can be moved at Christmas (this is essentially what BLB did). Depending on what Charlottetown does for 20s, they could hypothetically try the same thing with Stairs. i don't see them starting with 3 overage forwards under any scenario Kieran Gallant is 100% a lock as would be Trudeau i see them moving one of Roy or Stairs at the draft..... ironically Stairs numbers were decent for us despite really doing very little.... he got alot of cheap assists.... |
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 22, 2022 13:46:12 GMT -4
Charlottetown might be able to rebuild Roy's value. He's going to play 1st line, 1st PP on a team with limited depth, so he should get lots of opportunities to put up points so that he can be moved at Christmas (this is essentially what BLB did). Depending on what Charlottetown does for 20s, they could hypothetically try the same thing with Stairs. i don't see them starting with 3 overage forwards under any scenario Kieran Gallant is 100% a lock as would be Trudeau i see them moving one of Roy or Stairs at the draft..... ironically Stairs numbers were decent for us despite really doing very little.... he got alot of cheap assists.... I don't know what Charlottetown is planning. There is a small chance that there isn't enough market for Lapenna to move him, but if that isn't true, he should be on the move. With Trudeau, he's obviously your 1st OA if he's back, but the question becomes whether he plays pro or not. If he's not back, I could see Charlottetown bringing Maynard back (since the D is only returning Plandowski and McQuaid otherwise). Up front is whether the decisions will happen. |
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Post by bois on Jun 22, 2022 13:47:36 GMT -4
i don't see them starting with 3 overage forwards under any scenario Kieran Gallant is 100% a lock as would be Trudeau i see them moving one of Roy or Stairs at the draft..... ironically Stairs numbers were decent for us despite really doing very little.... he got alot of cheap assists.... I don't know what Charlottetown is planning. There is a small chance that there isn't enough market for Lapenna to move him, but if that isn't true, he should be on the move. With Trudeau, he's obviously your 1st OA if he's back, but the question becomes whether he plays pro or not. If he's not back, I could see Charlottetown bringing Maynard back (since the D is only returning Plandowski and McQuaid otherwise). Up front is whether the decisions will happen. McQuaid barely played all year and when he did it was mostly as a 4th line forward... being 19 next year i don't expect to see him back and certainly wouldn't be relying on him in any way to stabilize a defense |
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 22, 2022 13:49:37 GMT -4
I don't know what Charlottetown is planning. There is a small chance that there isn't enough market for Lapenna to move him, but if that isn't true, he should be on the move. With Trudeau, he's obviously your 1st OA if he's back, but the question becomes whether he plays pro or not. If he's not back, I could see Charlottetown bringing Maynard back (since the D is only returning Plandowski and McQuaid otherwise). Up front is whether the decisions will happen. McQuaid barely played all year and when he did it was mostly as a 4th line forward... being 19 next year i don't expect to see him back and certainly wouldn't be relying on him in any way to stabilize a defense That's why I see a guy like Maynard as a 20 if Trudeau goes (possibly even if he stays). Otherwise, Charlottetown will have a lot of invites on the blueline. |
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Post by Naomi on Jun 22, 2022 13:52:09 GMT -4
I could see Boyd being on the move. A team looking to make a run next season could use his grit and toughness. Being an overall solid player as well, the return could be pretty good too.
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Post by bois on Jun 22, 2022 13:53:15 GMT -4
McQuaid barely played all year and when he did it was mostly as a 4th line forward... being 19 next year i don't expect to see him back and certainly wouldn't be relying on him in any way to stabilize a defense That's why I see a guy like Maynard as a 20 if Trudeau goes (possibly even if he stays). Otherwise, Charlottetown will have a lot of invites on the blueline. so why would you suggest we would have Stairs and Roy up front? i agree Maynard could potentially be brought back the blueline will contain many invites but a few guys got their feet wet that should challenge for regular minutes this year in Tropilnycki (sp?) and Beren-Simard i definitely see us adding a vet cheap at some point on the blueline tho |
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Post by bois on Jun 22, 2022 13:53:35 GMT -4
I could see Boyd being on the move. A team looking to make a run next season could use his grit and toughness. Being an overall solid player as well, the return could be pretty good too. xmas time i agree |
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 22, 2022 14:03:30 GMT -4
That's why I see a guy like Maynard as a 20 if Trudeau goes (possibly even if he stays). Otherwise, Charlottetown will have a lot of invites on the blueline. so why would you suggest we would have Stairs and Roy up front? i agree Maynard could potentially be brought back the blueline will contain many invites but a few guys got their feet wet that should challenge for regular minutes this year in Tropilnycki (sp?) and Beren-Simard i definitely see us adding a vet cheap at some point on the blueline tho The Stairs/Roy suggestion would have been if Gallant wasn't above them. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 22, 2022 14:10:20 GMT -4
Well it’s Roy plus 2 3rds and 2 4ths for Guay so not 1 for 1 but still not ideal The picks offset each other...so Cha gets Roy(19) at midseason and BBA gets Guay(20) at the draft as futures. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 22, 2022 14:12:08 GMT -4
no its not if the picks are simply transferred back and forth they cancel out i still will hold out hope theres a young roster player or a higher draft pick coming our way as well..... but if not it is what it is and lets hope Roy has a big season to up the value of moving him..... because his value is actually quite a bit lower right now than it ever was Charlottetown might be able to rebuild Roy's value. He's going to play 1st line, 1st PP on a team with limited depth, so he should get lots of opportunities to put up points so that he can be moved at Christmas (this is essentially what BLB did). Depending on what Charlottetown does for 20s, they could hypothetically try the same thing with Stairs. Yeah right now you can probably get a 2nd rounder for him...best bet is to play him 1st line and flip him for a 1st at midseason if he is on a 90 point pace. |
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Post by ap on Jun 22, 2022 14:51:55 GMT -4
I get the Gallant love. His intangibles are obvious. However, he did score 8 goals. Is he considered a lock as a 20 because the other guys have way more value on the trade market and those assets can accelerate the rebuild?
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