Next Year

[bigdog]

I think what people often forget is that the host memorial cup team normally has 3 trade periods to build a team once they find out they are hosting…due to Covid the seadogs had only one trade period…that puts a team behind the 8 ball as teams can up the price and we needed all the players at once…other teams take advantage of that…

[filthymitts]

Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. However the dogs accomplished their goal and won the mem cup. Sure, it would have been great to keep Drapeau this year and see what he could do as a top pair in his draft year. I really like him as a player. At the same time he couldn’t get beyond a bottom pair player and Gardiner had him strapped to the pine in the mem cup. He has upside but he’s unproven. I’d say it will be better to evaluate this trade after next season. I remember when the dogs got Innis as a future in the Nic Guay trade and a lot of people thought he was gonna be huge for us… well he didn’t pan out. In my opinion the jury is still out on Drapeau, but I wish him the best of luck.

[Jack Bauer]

Jul 4, 2022 15:42:54 GMT -4 Judas In My Mind said:

Jul 2, 2022 20:00:45 GMT -4 mikeb said:

Tim08 how long are you going to whine posting how the team got fleeced. This is what happens when a team loads up AND WINS A MEMORIAL CUP.

No, it isn't. We got completely fleeced on that trade.

I often disagree with posts tim08 makes but I agree with this one.

Yes a team overpays when they go all in. Especially a Memorial Cup host. TG paid not only the overpayment, but then threw in an overpayment on the overpayment, and locked his family into one of those Japanese mortgage that it takes 3 generations of family to pay off.

I have nothing against Lessard either. He's a good player. He just cannot stay healthy. He never has in any year. Thats why I thought the trade sucked even when it was just draft picks. We could have got a player of similar talent and no history or chronic injury for that price.

Now we find out Drapeau goes as a future, and we only get the 6th and 10th round picks back? Our best young prospect? Ignore what we might have been able to get for Drapeau trading him on his own right now. We could have at the very least got a better player with no history of injury than Lessard for what we gave up.

That TG overpaid that much only makes me a little angry though. The fact that he overpaid that much for a player you could pretty much guarantee was going to get injured at some point while with us is what really grinds the gears.

Yes they won the Memorial Cup. Yes you overpay when you try to do so, especially as hosts. That doesn't mean though that you go out and purchase anything you can get your hands on at whatever price it takes. You still shop intelligently and buy the best product available at the lowest price you can find. This was like....buying a 19 year old Lexus that has gone through 5 engine rebuilds already and paying fresh off the assembly line brand new price for it.

But you bought the Lexus for a race and you won the race. So the cost has to be viewed from the context of achieving the exact goal the purchase was meant to achieve.

If you bought that Lexus due to credit issues and that 19yr old Lexus gets you back and forth to work for a decade and you get your life back on track you will look back and view the cost as high but probably worth it as it served you well.

Your argument would hold more weight if you had a disaster of a Memorial Cup. But, winning changes everything.

[aspookyghost]

Any predictions on when the Dogs become competitive again? I can't remember how many high end draft picks we ended up dealing out in the end and for how many years. When do we start having 1st and 2nd round picks again? Do we have anyone currently that will fetch a strong return so we can start replenishing the cupboards? I'm assuming the play will be to deal anyone of worth for the next several seasons until we have enough assets to bring up a young core all at once again?

[Briwhel]

Jul 4, 2022 22:50:21 GMT -4 aspookyghost said:

Any predictions on when the Dogs become competitive again? I can't remember how many high end draft picks we ended up dealing out in the end and for how many years. When do we start having 1st and 2nd round picks again? Do we have anyone currently that will fetch a strong return so we can start replenishing the cupboards? I'm assuming the play will be to deal anyone of worth for the next several seasons until we have enough assets to bring up a young core all at once again?

Rumor has a 2nd and 3rd in 25 going out yo finish trades. Also, we should have 2 3rds tomorrow and a future 2nd.

[Jack Bauer]

Jul 4, 2022 22:50:21 GMT -4 aspookyghost said:

Any predictions on when the Dogs become competitive again? I can't remember how many high end draft picks we ended up dealing out in the end and for how many years. When do we start having 1st and 2nd round picks again? Do we have anyone currently that will fetch a strong return so we can start replenishing the cupboards? I'm assuming the play will be to deal anyone of worth for the next several seasons until we have enough assets to bring up a young core all at once again?

Could really be 4-5 years.

They have no 1sts until 2025. That kid will be playing in 2027-2028 at 18 and finally developed.

They may miss an entire cycle due to how deep they traded.

[aspookyghost]

I guess if any AHL guys end up being sent back for us to trade out it would help speed up the rebuild significantly.

[canbeer]

Jul 4, 2022 22:08:15 GMT -4 Jack Bauer said:

Jul 4, 2022 15:42:54 GMT -4 Judas In My Mind said:

No, it isn't. We got completely fleeced on that trade.

I often disagree with posts tim08 makes but I agree with this one.

Yes a team overpays when they go all in. Especially a Memorial Cup host. TG paid not only the overpayment, but then threw in an overpayment on the overpayment, and locked his family into one of those Japanese mortgage that it takes 3 generations of family to pay off.

I have nothing against Lessard either. He's a good player. He just cannot stay healthy. He never has in any year. Thats why I thought the trade sucked even when it was just draft picks. We could have got a player of similar talent and no history or chronic injury for that price.

Now we find out Drapeau goes as a future, and we only get the 6th and 10th round picks back? Our best young prospect? Ignore what we might have been able to get for Drapeau trading him on his own right now. We could have at the very least got a better player with no history of injury than Lessard for what we gave up.

That TG overpaid that much only makes me a little angry though. The fact that he overpaid that much for a player you could pretty much guarantee was going to get injured at some point while with us is what really grinds the gears.

Yes they won the Memorial Cup. Yes you overpay when you try to do so, especially as hosts. That doesn't mean though that you go out and purchase anything you can get your hands on at whatever price it takes. You still shop intelligently and buy the best product available at the lowest price you can find. This was like....buying a 19 year old Lexus that has gone through 5 engine rebuilds already and paying fresh off the assembly line brand new price for it.

But you bought the Lexus for a race and you won the race. So the cost has to be viewed from the context of achieving the exact goal the purchase was meant to achieve.

If you bought that Lexus due to credit issues and that 19yr old Lexus gets you back and forth to work for a decade and you get your life back on track you will look back and view the cost as high but probably worth it as it served you well.

Your argument would hold more weight if you had a disaster of a Memorial Cup. But, winning changes everything.

Winning the Memorial Cup puts a different light on it but I can’t help but think back to the off season two years ago and the discussion being Saint John was about to become a two year unstoppable force running over this league… now here we are two years later and they didn’t win a playoff round in that time. The idea of that two years ago would have been insane.

[aspookyghost]

Jul 4, 2022 23:06:33 GMT -4 canbeer said:

Winning the Memorial Cup puts a different light on it but I can’t help but think back to the off season two years ago and the discussion being Saint John was about to become a two year unstoppable force running over this league… now here we are two years later and they didn’t win a playoff round in that time. The idea of that two years ago would have been insane. [/quote]

I just hope the team can survive such a lengthy down period. Considering our success we have a pretty poor fanbase and TD Station will likely be a Ghost Town for the foreseeable future. If there was ever a time for dramatic ticket price drops in an attempt to bring in larger crowds it's got to be now.

[j3e4]

Jul 4, 2022 22:50:21 GMT -4 aspookyghost said:

Any predictions on when the Dogs become competitive again? I can't remember how many high end draft picks we ended up dealing out in the end and for how many years. When do we start having 1st and 2nd round picks again? Do we have anyone currently that will fetch a strong return so we can start replenishing the cupboards? I'm assuming the play will be to deal anyone of worth for the next several seasons until we have enough assets to bring up a young core all at once again?

In no particular order, these guys should all be back in the league next year and all have some pretty decent trade value:

Hurtubise (20)
Burns (20)
Desroches (20)
Bezeau (20)
Picard (20)
Reynolds (19)
MacDonald (19)
Trenholm (19)

I didn't include Lessard and Patenaude due to their injuries. I doubt they have a ton of value and we won't find room for all the 20s and will want to keep some anyway. Someone will pay for Hurtubise who was a key part of championship teams in each of his last 2 seasons, and Patenaude will finally take over at #1.

We traded away more picks this time than our last couple championship teams but we have more guys of value expected to return. Of the 19 year olds the only one projected to potentially turn pro at 20 is MacDonald. Also I wouldn't count on it but I wouldn't be shocked either if Villeneuve gets sent back to the Q at some point next season as well.

[Judas In My Mind]

Jul 4, 2022 22:08:15 GMT -4 Jack Bauer said:

Jul 4, 2022 15:42:54 GMT -4 Judas In My Mind said:

No, it isn't. We got completely fleeced on that trade.

I often disagree with posts tim08 makes but I agree with this one.

Yes a team overpays when they go all in. Especially a Memorial Cup host. TG paid not only the overpayment, but then threw in an overpayment on the overpayment, and locked his family into one of those Japanese mortgage that it takes 3 generations of family to pay off.

I have nothing against Lessard either. He's a good player. He just cannot stay healthy. He never has in any year. Thats why I thought the trade sucked even when it was just draft picks. We could have got a player of similar talent and no history or chronic injury for that price.

Now we find out Drapeau goes as a future, and we only get the 6th and 10th round picks back? Our best young prospect? Ignore what we might have been able to get for Drapeau trading him on his own right now. We could have at the very least got a better player with no history of injury than Lessard for what we gave up.

That TG overpaid that much only makes me a little angry though. The fact that he overpaid that much for a player you could pretty much guarantee was going to get injured at some point while with us is what really grinds the gears.

Yes they won the Memorial Cup. Yes you overpay when you try to do so, especially as hosts. That doesn't mean though that you go out and purchase anything you can get your hands on at whatever price it takes. You still shop intelligently and buy the best product available at the lowest price you can find. This was like....buying a 19 year old Lexus that has gone through 5 engine rebuilds already and paying fresh off the assembly line brand new price for it.

But you bought the Lexus for a race and you won the race. So the cost has to be viewed from the context of achieving the exact goal the purchase was meant to achieve.

If you bought that Lexus due to credit issues and that 19yr old Lexus gets you back and forth to work for a decade and you get your life back on track you will look back and view the cost as high but probably worth it as it served you well.

Your argument would hold more weight if you had a disaster of a Memorial Cup. But, winning changes everything.

This Lexus, predictably, never even left the garage though. You are right though. They won. I just feel this particular cost didn't need to be paid, or at least should not have been paid for this player due to his injury history. I would have grabbed a player without that established risk, but whatever.

[Briwhel]

This cycle had all of the negatives of the previous one with new ones added in.

We had feast/famine drafting (where if MacDonald and Reynolds don't report, we're s mid pack team in our go for it year) with mediocre import players all cycle (until we traded for Ansons and were gifted Kuznetsov). We blew the 00 and 01 birth years and 04 doesn't look great (unfortunately we just gave away our best pick).

On top of that we added no d coach, no coaching stability, no goaltending stability and no attempts to limited depth to insulate the young guys (it was mostly traded to get every pick possible).

[Briwhel]

Jul 5, 2022 6:30:50 GMT -4 Briwhel said:

This cycle had all of the negatives of the previous one with new ones added in.

We had feast/famine drafting (where if MacDonald and Reynolds don't report, we're s mid pack team in our go for it year) with mediocre import players all cycle (until we traded for Ansons and were gifted Kuznetsov). We blew the 00 and 01 birth years and 04 doesn't look great (unfortunately we just gave away our best pick).

On top of that we added no d coach, no coaching stability, no goaltending stability and no attempts to limited depth to insulate the young guys (it was mostly traded to get every pick possible).

If we keep the assistants and add the rumored coach, we will have our most stable staff since we hired Gallant.

Brideau is our best goalie prospect since D'Orio, so the hope is that he stabilizes the net.

I know nothing about our Euros, but I'm willing to give them a chance before I write them off (just won't expect s lot at 17).

The drafting is partially ncaa bluffs, and partially overloading a specific birth year.

Right now, our 05 looks good and 04 could be saved if a player or two reported. Today's draft is critical.

[frogmorton2]

I'm a little shocked at the more negative leaning posts. The team literally just won the memorial cup. I don't care if they spend the next year getting beat 10-3. The team this year (how ever it was put together) in the end delivered the prize it was set out to do. Win the Memorial cup on home ice. Boom done.

I think we aren't looking at it from the other side. If Cape Breton or Rimouski is hosting a memorial cup in 3 years time and they come to us asking for one of our 2 best players. We are going to do everything we can to get every pick, prospect, future out of them. It's the same thing for Val D'or. We weren't in a strong negotiation place. Every GM knew the moment the Sea Dogs called for a player, they had the upper hand.

More needs to be said about the winter time turnaround by shipping out players like Innis, Sapelnikov, Lemieux, McCluskey etc and returning back players who won the highest honour this team can ever win.

It's been less than a week, we know next season we'll pay for the success.

Also congrats to Lawrence spending roughly 30 seconds in Sydney before being sent out to the Armada lol.

[Judas In My Mind]

Jul 5, 2022 7:52:56 GMT -4 frogmorton2 said:

I think we aren't looking at it from the other side. If Cape Breton or Rimouski is hosting a memorial cup in 3 years time and they come to us asking for one of our 2 best players. We are going to do everything we can to get every pick, prospect, future out of them. It's the same thing for Val D'or. We weren't in a strong negotiation place. Every GM knew the moment the Sea Dogs called for a player, they had the upper hand.

I dont know about you but I am looking at it from the other side. Just without the rose colored Kool Aid glasses on.

Essentially we paid Drapeau at the draft, a 1st, a 4th and a 5th for Lessard.

Are you trying to sell me on the fact that only Val D'Or was interested in acquiring those assets? and that the only player we could get for those assets was Lessard? A 19 year old player with a history of injuries? Whose most productive year was 30 points in 50 games?

If thats the best player we could get for those assets, then we should have just kept the assets. Nobody forces you to trade. We didn't need that quality of player to win the Memorial Cup. Thats not a make you or break you type player.

That trade just feels like "Hey I got some money left here lets spend it on something even though I don't really need anything or see anything for sale that would justify this price."