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Post by lirette on Dec 21, 2022 8:16:04 GMT -4
Unless you keep the first rounder and use a 4th to get Hinkley. Hinkley can play defense but he isn't a Iasenza. With the Plandowski acquisition I can’t see Hinkley coming here now. They either preferred Plandowski in spite of being a year older, or Hinkley was never an option in the first place. Part of the reason they moved out Darcy and Iasenza was to open up ice time - so two out and one in would make sense. I don't have access to the article but the T&T has something up regarding that they have been trying to acquire Plandowski since the draft. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 21, 2022 8:29:14 GMT -4
With the Plandowski acquisition I can’t see Hinkley coming here now. They either preferred Plandowski in spite of being a year older, or Hinkley was never an option in the first place. Part of the reason they moved out Darcy and Iasenza was to open up ice time - so two out and one in would make sense. I don't have access to the article but the T&T has something up regarding that they have been trying to acquire Plandowski since the draft. Hopefully he bounces back because he hasn't been good in Dru. I assume the 2025 2nd is conditional on him being an OA next year, that's the only way this deal makes sense. |
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Post by mikeb on Dec 21, 2022 9:45:03 GMT -4
Just thinking out loud here, but is Plandowski a tad overrated. I'm wondering if he was protected somewhat by the strength of the PEI defence in past years.
I see him as good. Not very good and definitely not elite.
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Post by Naomi on Dec 21, 2022 9:48:39 GMT -4
Just thinking out loud here, but is Plandowski a tad overrated. I'm wondering if he was protected somewhat by the strength of the PEI defence in past years. I see him as good. Not very good and definitely not elite. He was definitely exposed late in the playoffs. He wasn't exactly stellar vs Sherbrooke or Shawinigan. In fairness to the finals though, who really was good for the Isles? |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 21, 2022 9:50:53 GMT -4
Just thinking out loud here, but is Plandowski a tad overrated. I'm wondering if he was protected somewhat by the strength of the PEI defence in past years. I see him as good. Not very good and definitely not elite. From what I recall, he had the tools at 16 & 17 to be a top pair guy but was stuck behind Trudeau Cormier and Laaouan. I thought his game would take off in Dru but it hasn't. From what I heard the trade is heavy in conditions so the WC are not taking a big chance if he doesn't step up in the next 12 months. |
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Post by islander19 on Dec 21, 2022 11:15:41 GMT -4
As an Isles fan…certainly over rated IMO, great skater but can’t handle a puck.
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Post by chootoi on Dec 21, 2022 11:23:50 GMT -4
Assuming they keep all the picks, I think this is the first time the Cats have ever had 3 firsts in the same draft. One thing I wouldn’t mind seeing is taking a goalie early. They used to do this regularly with great success (Crawford, Riopel, Blanchard, Domingue) - but for whatever reason that philosophy went away when Frantz Jean left over 10 years ago. Since then it’s always felt to me like they’re trying to band-aid the goalie situation together one or two years at a time with varying degrees of success:
Via free agent (Owen, Steinman, Lavigne)
Via euro (Will, Usnik)
Via trade (Rodrigue, Dubeau, Filion, Bouchard, Grametbauer, Leclerc, etc.)
Via revolving door of junior A guys (Waite, Mann-Dixon, Tmej, Thibeau, etc.)
But none of those guys have ever been identified, drafted and developed as the franchise guy for the next 4 years, so to speak. I believe the only goalie they’ve picked before the 5th round in the last decade was Lavallee (3rd round) and he is now the starter on another team. That’s a major shift and I’ve always wondered why they went away from it when it used to work well for them. Maybe it’s because of the riskiness of goalie development (you see that somewhat with Filion), maybe it’s a lack of faith in the goalie coaching role (unlikely), or maybe they believe the cost of bringing in goalies is less than the cost of acquiring impact players (which is probably true). Maybe it’s a shift in hockey philosophy in general (although there are plenty of teams that take goalies early - in the first 2 rounds).
In any case I don’t actually see this happening, it's just a thought. I think whoever the picks turn out to be will ultimately become currency for the next big run.
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Post by bois on Dec 21, 2022 11:29:37 GMT -4
Just thinking out loud here, but is Plandowski a tad overrated. I'm wondering if he was protected somewhat by the strength of the PEI defence in past years. I see him as good. Not very good and definitely not elite. From what I recall, he had the tools at 16 & 17 to be a top pair guy but was stuck behind Trudeau Cormier and Laaouan. I thought his game would take off in Dru but it hasn't. From what I heard the trade is heavy in conditions so the WC are not taking a big chance if he doesn't step up in the next 12 months. Yup he was overrated but a big part of why we feel that way was likely because of how sheltered he wound up being in those prime developing years by the defense surrounding him He is a fantastic skater and can make a good pass He is not offensively gifted nor overly physical |
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Post by Citris on Dec 21, 2022 11:33:06 GMT -4
Yup he was overrated but a big part of why we feel that way was likely because of how sheltered he wound up being in those prime developing years by the defense surrounding him He is a fantastic skater and can make a good pass He is not offensively gifted nor overly physical Bloodlines also have something to do with it, as much as hockey people try to remain objective, if they're familiar with and like your family, you'll always have a leg up on the competition. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 21, 2022 11:40:25 GMT -4
Assuming they keep all the picks, I think this is the first time the Cats have ever had 3 firsts in the same draft. One thing I wouldn’t mind seeing is taking a goalie early. They used to do this regularly with great success (Crawford, Riopel, Blanchard, Domingue) - but for whatever reason that philosophy went away when Frantz Jean left over 10 years ago. Since then it’s always felt to me like they’re trying to band-aid the goalie situation together one or two years at a time with varying degrees of success: Via free agent (Owen, Steinman, Lavigne) Via euro (Will, Usnik) Via trade (Rodrigue, Dubeau, Filion, Bouchard, Grametbauer, Leclerc, etc.) Via revolving door of junior A guys (Waite, Mann-Dixon, Tmej, Thibeau, etc.) But none of those guys have ever been identified, drafted and developed as the franchise guy for the next 4 years, so to speak. I believe the only goalie they’ve picked before the 5th round in the last decade was Lavallee (3rd round) and he is now the starter on another team. That’s a major shift and I’ve always wondered why they went away from it when it used to work well for them. Maybe it’s because of the riskiness of goalie development (you see that somewhat with Filion), maybe it’s a lack of faith in the goalie coaching role (unlikely), or maybe they believe the cost of bringing in goalies is less than the cost of acquiring impact players (which is probably true). Maybe it’s a shift in hockey philosophy in general (although there are plenty of teams that take goalies early - in the first 2 rounds). In any case I don’t actually see this happening, it's just a thought. I think whoever the picks turn out to be will ultimately become currency for the next big run. Part of it could also just be less elite goalies. I don’t think it’s any dispute that goaltending in Quebec and Canada isn’t producing the same level of elite caliber NHL goalies. In the last 15 years, there really hasn’t been many top tier guys come through the Q that would make you feel like you have to take a guy high in the draft and if they do go that high, you can probably make the argument like you said that an elite F or D impacts the game more for the team/the cost of acquiring the high level goalie is cheaper. If you want to use multiple picks on guys from the 3rd-8th round every year or 2, you can probably develop a pretty solid goalie pipeline and not ever have to use that high level pick on a guy. When you look at the top goalies in the league the past few seasons, there isn’t many picked in that top 2 round range. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 21, 2022 11:46:34 GMT -4
Assuming they keep all the picks, I think this is the first time the Cats have ever had 3 firsts in the same draft. One thing I wouldn’t mind seeing is taking a goalie early. They used to do this regularly with great success (Crawford, Riopel, Blanchard, Domingue) - but for whatever reason that philosophy went away when Frantz Jean left over 10 years ago. Since then it’s always felt to me like they’re trying to band-aid the goalie situation together one or two years at a time with varying degrees of success: Via free agent (Owen, Steinman, Lavigne) Via euro (Will, Usnik) Via trade (Rodrigue, Dubeau, Filion, Bouchard, Grametbauer, Leclerc, etc.) Via revolving door of junior A guys (Waite, Mann-Dixon, Tmej, Thibeau, etc.) But none of those guys have ever been identified, drafted and developed as the franchise guy for the next 4 years, so to speak. I believe the only goalie they’ve picked before the 5th round in the last decade was Lavallee (3rd round) and he is now the starter on another team. That’s a major shift and I’ve always wondered why they went away from it when it used to work well for them. Maybe it’s because of the riskiness of goalie development (you see that somewhat with Filion), maybe it’s a lack of faith in the goalie coaching role (unlikely), or maybe they believe the cost of bringing in goalies is less than the cost of acquiring impact players (which is probably true). Maybe it’s a shift in hockey philosophy in general (although there are plenty of teams that take goalies early - in the first 2 rounds). In any case I don’t actually see this happening, it's just a thought. I think whoever the picks turn out to be will ultimately become currency for the next big run. It makes sense if there is a goalie worthy of that pick. I don't see the point of reaching for a goalie if none is worth a 1st. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 21, 2022 11:48:05 GMT -4
Assuming they keep all the picks, I think this is the first time the Cats have ever had 3 firsts in the same draft. One thing I wouldn’t mind seeing is taking a goalie early. They used to do this regularly with great success (Crawford, Riopel, Blanchard, Domingue) - but for whatever reason that philosophy went away when Frantz Jean left over 10 years ago. Since then it’s always felt to me like they’re trying to band-aid the goalie situation together one or two years at a time with varying degrees of success: Via free agent (Owen, Steinman, Lavigne) Via euro (Will, Usnik) Via trade (Rodrigue, Dubeau, Filion, Bouchard, Grametbauer, Leclerc, etc.) Via revolving door of junior A guys (Waite, Mann-Dixon, Tmej, Thibeau, etc.) But none of those guys have ever been identified, drafted and developed as the franchise guy for the next 4 years, so to speak. I believe the only goalie they’ve picked before the 5th round in the last decade was Lavallee (3rd round) and he is now the starter on another team. That’s a major shift and I’ve always wondered why they went away from it when it used to work well for them. Maybe it’s because of the riskiness of goalie development (you see that somewhat with Filion), maybe it’s a lack of faith in the goalie coaching role (unlikely), or maybe they believe the cost of bringing in goalies is less than the cost of acquiring impact players (which is probably true). Maybe it’s a shift in hockey philosophy in general (although there are plenty of teams that take goalies early - in the first 2 rounds). In any case I don’t actually see this happening, it's just a thought. I think whoever the picks turn out to be will ultimately become currency for the next big run. Part of it could also just be less elite goalies. I don’t think it’s any dispute that goaltending in Quebec and Canada isn’t producing the same level of elite caliber NHL goalies. In the last 15 years, there really hasn’t been many top tier guys come through the Q that would make you feel like you have to take a guy high in the draft and if they do go that high, you can probably make the argument like you said that an elite F or D impacts the game more for the team/the cost of acquiring the high level goalie is cheaper. If you want to use multiple picks on guys from the 3rd-8th round every year or 2, you can probably develop a pretty solid goalie pipeline and not ever have to use that high level pick on a guy. When you look at the top goalies in the league the past few seasons, there isn’t many picked in that top 2 round range. That makes sense to me unless there is a stud young goalie who is worth that high pick. Filion was a 6th overall pick but you wouldn't know it by watching him at 18, Rousseau was a 4th round pick and he is playing at a higher level. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 21, 2022 12:05:24 GMT -4
Part of it could also just be less elite goalies. I don’t think it’s any dispute that goaltending in Quebec and Canada isn’t producing the same level of elite caliber NHL goalies. In the last 15 years, there really hasn’t been many top tier guys come through the Q that would make you feel like you have to take a guy high in the draft and if they do go that high, you can probably make the argument like you said that an elite F or D impacts the game more for the team/the cost of acquiring the high level goalie is cheaper. If you want to use multiple picks on guys from the 3rd-8th round every year or 2, you can probably develop a pretty solid goalie pipeline and not ever have to use that high level pick on a guy. When you look at the top goalies in the league the past few seasons, there isn’t many picked in that top 2 round range. That makes sense to me unless there is a stud young goalie who is worth that high pick. Filion was a 6th overall pick but you wouldn't know it by watching him at 18, Rousseau was a 4th round pick and he is playing at a higher level. There’s guys that come along that I do think are worth going high and selecting because they’re special but if that guy isn’t there or you can’t get him, I think multiple picks in that draft range I mentioned can and will produce competent goaltending for a team unless you’re absolutely horrid every year at evaluating goalies. Now you probably wouldn’t want your team to take a guy every year in the 3rd round but if you took one in the 3rd this year and then say next year took 2 in rounds 5 and 7, etc, etc. You’d get a consistent flow of talent coming through the organization/available to deal in trades. Rousseau also played the NCAA card and I believe had a commitment to a school at the time of the draft or right there after so him going in round 4 wasn’t really about his ability. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 21, 2022 12:07:48 GMT -4
That makes sense to me unless there is a stud young goalie who is worth that high pick. Filion was a 6th overall pick but you wouldn't know it by watching him at 18, Rousseau was a 4th round pick and he is playing at a higher level. There’s guys that come along that I do think are worth going high and selecting because they’re special but if that guy isn’t there or you can’t get him, I think multiple picks in that draft range I mentioned can and will produce competent goaltending for a team unless you’re absolutely horrid every year at evaluating goalies. Now you probably wouldn’t want your team to take a guy every year in the 3rd round but if you took one in the 3rd this year and then say next year took 2 in rounds 5 and 7, etc, etc. You’d get a consistent flow of talent coming through the organization/available to deal in trades. Rousseau also played the NCAA card and I believe had a commitment to a school at the time of the draft or right there after so him going in round 4 wasn’t really about his ability. Rousseau in Hal not Rousseau in Que. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 21, 2022 12:36:11 GMT -4
There’s guys that come along that I do think are worth going high and selecting because they’re special but if that guy isn’t there or you can’t get him, I think multiple picks in that draft range I mentioned can and will produce competent goaltending for a team unless you’re absolutely horrid every year at evaluating goalies. Now you probably wouldn’t want your team to take a guy every year in the 3rd round but if you took one in the 3rd this year and then say next year took 2 in rounds 5 and 7, etc, etc. You’d get a consistent flow of talent coming through the organization/available to deal in trades. Rousseau also played the NCAA card and I believe had a commitment to a school at the time of the draft or right there after so him going in round 4 wasn’t really about his ability. Rousseau in Hal not Rousseau in Que. Ahhh yeah, my mistake. The other one wasn’t even in that draft. |
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