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Post by scotiahockey on Aug 15, 2023 10:20:25 GMT -4
It was no secret he had some issues in Bathurst, but everybody here knows that Hulton won’t put up with any BS. To trade a 4th for a guy who could potentially put up 25-30 goals on a team where goal scoring is severely lacking - I’m all for it if it costs you your top returning goal scorer? or your top returning point getter? how do you think it adds value to the team struggling offensively? It’s really not as simple as a 4th for 25-30 goals, it’s more like a 4th for 5-10 goals. |
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Post by bois on Aug 15, 2023 10:23:50 GMT -4
if it costs you your top returning goal scorer? or your top returning point getter? how do you think it adds value to the team struggling offensively? It’s really not as simple as a 4th for 25-30 goals, it’s more like a 4th for 5-10 goals. thats what i'm saying personally I feel Horth is a lock for 35 plus if he returns to the Q Morneau is more of a setup guy but he would be capable of 20-25 you would think as well so if Huckins comes here and scores 30 at the cost of 35 thats negative.... anyways I don't feel like arguing today...... to me if we didn't commit to Bell i'm fine with this move..... if we did and we have to lose or move one of Morneau-Horth it's not a great move despite being a very low cost on its own |
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Post by jangle on Aug 15, 2023 10:41:16 GMT -4
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Post by islander19 on Aug 15, 2023 11:19:56 GMT -4
Obviously you’re banking on Huckins being an upgrade on Morneau/Horth…and then you trade the odd man out for hopefully something of equal/greater value.
Yeah sure the easy move was to keep the three that we had, but you should always be looking to upgrade.
2 years ago, Huckins was drafted in the third round…Morneau was playing junior A, and Horth put up 18 points for us.
Obviously players peak at different times in their career, but clearly Huckins upside is a lot higher than the other two. He’s going to be playing for a pro contract next year
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Post by Score on Aug 15, 2023 12:42:18 GMT -4
Im also thinking maybe this costs more down the road I believe it was the final piece in the Brabanec deal. |
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Post by bois on Aug 15, 2023 13:18:29 GMT -4
Obviously you’re banking on Huckins being an upgrade on Morneau/Horth…and then you trade the odd man out for hopefully something of equal/greater value. Yeah sure the easy move was to keep the three that we had, but you should always be looking to upgrade. 2 years ago, Huckins was drafted in the third round…Morneau was playing junior A, and Horth put up 18 points for us. Obviously players peak at different times in their career, but clearly Huckins upside is a lot higher than the other two. He’s going to be playing for a pro contract next year 2 years ago Huckins was sent home for disciplanary reasons and the team that drafted him decided not to sign him so being a 3rd rounder is kinda irrelevant now Horth made the strongest Islanders club in history as a late drafted kid who missed development time from Covid restrictions and chipped in offensively from the bottom 6 and earned himself NHL camp invites (he too will be looking to play for a pro contract) Morneau as I said was a free asset who came out of nowhere but did lead our team in scoring last year and was very strong close to a PPG second half as our defacto number one center the fact Huckins is a winger would lead me to believe he's likely replacing Horth... and to me that is not an upgrade or certainly not a very significant one anyways Hulton earns the benefit of the doubt from me ... but I don't just swallow team kool aid..... wait and see who shows up to camp and if another deal is done |
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Post by Score on Aug 15, 2023 13:34:28 GMT -4
Huckins has 154pts in 202 regular season games.
That's pretty good.
If his attitude is still a problem, Hulton will deal with it...
If Horth is the odd man out, Hulton will bring back more then a 4th and a 7th for him....and without losing his pts.
To me, that's a win.
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Post by bois on Aug 15, 2023 13:56:01 GMT -4
Huckins has 154pts in 202 regular season games. That's pretty good. If his attitude is still a problem, Hulton will deal with it... If Horth is the odd man out, Hulton will bring back more then a 4th and a 7th for him....and without losing his pts. To me, that's a win. and to me it's not because a) Horth was already here and b) his value should have returned more than whatever it will now last year when I was fully on board with moving him if as you say Huckins was in any way attached to Brabanec..... then Hulton truly missed out by not moving Horth last season agree to slightly disagree.... my kool aid doesn't taste as good as yours |
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Post by islander19 on Aug 15, 2023 14:11:01 GMT -4
It all boils down to whether Huckins is an upgrade on Horth and the cost of doing the business.
IMO he is an upgrade, plus I would think Horth would fetch more than a 4th round pick…I see it as a win in both productivity and asset management.
But who knows, maybe Horth gets traded, puts up 100 points and Huckins completely fizzles out…that’s the joys of junior hockey
Either way, the move between slightly above average overagers isn’t going to make or break a season.
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Post by countryboy on Aug 15, 2023 14:46:48 GMT -4
Is there an option where we go with Horth, Morneau, and Huckins….with Bell the odd man out?
His 19 y/o season was mammoth…but it was Jr. A.
Each of Horth and Huckins might also be considering pro options for this coming season. I’ll expect all 4 20’s to be a camp to compete for a spot and it might be a few weeks before we get clarity on who will be part of our trio.
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Post by countryboy on Aug 15, 2023 22:41:04 GMT -4
OK.... so if we are working off the protected list for now, here's who I'm guessing might not be part of our training camp:
Ben Boyd
Corbin Carkner
Denver Damphousse
Jake Doherty
Ethan Gardula
Ronnie Hill
Owen Hollingsworth
Joel Marchon
Carter Murchison
Robbie Rutledge
Shawn Leary
Seamus MacEachern
Jack McMinn
Aryx Seifker
Alexandre Tessier
Rylan Aiken
Plus we can expect some of the players from our currently 2023 draft year to be not coming to camp to preserve NCAA eligibility. You never have a year where there aren't at least a couple of guys who are late picks that opt to stay away to keep their eligibility.
The names listed above are either 20 y/o players who aren't options for this year (Boyd, Tessier, Hollingsworth, Marchon), 19 y/o players who weren't on the team at the end of last year (Rutledge, Murchison), American players (Hill, Gardula, Leary, Carkner, Doherty, Seifker), or guys who have either not previously attended camp or have attended and left on their own to maintain eligibility (Damphousse, McMinn, Aiken, MacEachern).
These are my best guesses....we will see soon enough.
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Post by bois on Aug 16, 2023 9:26:57 GMT -4
Murchison is a local kid is he not?
If he's still on our list and has any designs in playing at this level not sure why he wouldn't attend camp at least
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Post by countryboy on Aug 16, 2023 9:38:12 GMT -4
He’s from NS but his dad played with the Caps back in the early 90s. I think the dad is originally from PEI.
He’s played in the league before but didn’t make the cut last year. I grouped him based on age…like Rutledge.
Maybe he comes in and tries to secure a spot.
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Post by islander19 on Aug 16, 2023 10:48:32 GMT -4
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Post by jordo999 on Aug 16, 2023 11:51:32 GMT -4
I think Huckins could come in and have a solid year, I'm sure he will be looking to bounce back after not being signed by Calgary so he now has more to prove then ever. Or at least keep him for the first half and then flip him to a contender at Christmas assuming his value increased.
It's a shame because I really liked Cole in his 1st 2 seasons with us, he then gets NHL drafted and then things went downhill from there. He bounced back in some ways with Sherbrooke but I think he could take another step in the right direction.
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