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Post by puckstopper on Nov 22, 2023 11:45:44 GMT -4
It could be a very interesting trade period. I believe if Reynolds wants to go he will be traded. Tivey would be the next. The other guys could be moved if the price is right. Guess the big question will be what will the team expect for guys like Elie, Reinhart, Ianniello and would they look to move Mann or do they keep him and hope to get more next year for him.
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Post by ysj28 on Nov 22, 2023 14:17:41 GMT -4
I think they need to keep some scoring power up front - if that means keeping Reynolds, Elie, Mateiko - so be it. I don't think the fans in SJ will put up with another scorched earth rebuild where they sell off everyone including the guy that pops the popcorn, for futures. They need to bring some stability back like the 2008-2012 seasons where they won more than they lost and not just put all of their eggs in one season. It was easy to put all of their eggs in the 2022 season as you had a guaranteed Memorial Cup birth.
The team has some quality draft picks coming up that they can either use or move if they are targeting a certain age group.
There is also the other item at play here - the Sea Dogs lease is up at the end of this season. Will Scott McCain be selling the team or re-signing another lease contract? If he is selling, I would think he would get more $ if the team was coming off a respectable finish to the season vs a team with a couple of unproven 16 / 17 y/o and no real scoring for next year.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 22, 2023 15:37:16 GMT -4
I think they need to keep some scoring power up front - if that means keeping Reynolds, Elie, Mateiko - so be it. I don't think the fans in SJ will put up with another scorched earth rebuild where they sell off everyone including the guy that pops the popcorn, for futures. They need to bring some stability back like the 2008-2012 seasons where they won more than they lost and not just put all of their eggs in one season. It was easy to put all of their eggs in the 2022 season as you had a guaranteed Memorial Cup birth. The team has some quality draft picks coming up that they can either use or move if they are targeting a certain age group. There is also the other item at play here - the Sea Dogs lease is up at the end of this season. Will Scott McCain be selling the team or re-signing another lease contract? If he is selling, I would think he would get more $ if the team was coming off a respectable finish to the season vs a team with a couple of unproven 16 / 17 y/o and no real scoring for next year. There's like 20 years of history there now. What stage of a rebuild they're in won't have any effect on their value. And if it did...going scorched earth and adding more future assets would add that value. Not having an expiring 20yr old like Reynolds who can't come back. Respectable finish with expiring vets doesn't have more long term value then the draft picks and younger players you would get for them. This isn't the NHL where next year is another step on a long rebuild. With 4-5 year shelf life you can't get stuck holding valuable expiring talent while at the bottom of the league. Why would the person buying the team for next year care how a Reynolds team finished this yer? They're more interested in those unproven 16/17yr olds because they can at least play for them. You can develop an unproven 17/18 in the fall. You can't develop a guy playing CIS. |
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Post by quispammer on Nov 24, 2023 11:15:30 GMT -4
The question we need to ask ourselves as an organization is try to target OA for next season then most of the 19 we should see if we can get either draft picks or younger players also try to trade high potential 18 year old like Elie, Bilodeau, euros I think will be harder to move, for our OA this year Reynolds no questions ask should not be here after Christmas break Leaver and Gauthier I would keep for the rest of the season. My OA for next season would be Tivey, Reinhart I think we can give the net to Robinson next season so I would keep either Akkouche or Laforge. It would be a very difficult 2nd half but with the picks we have next season plus what we would be getting for the trades during the break we would be going in the right direction. I think they need to keep some scoring power up front - if that means keeping Reynolds, Elie, Mateiko - so be it. I don't think the fans in SJ will put up with another scorched earth rebuild where they sell off everyone including the guy that pops the popcorn, for futures. They need to bring some stability back like the 2008-2012 seasons where they won more than they lost and not just put all of their eggs in one season. It was easy to put all of their eggs in the 2022 season as you had a guaranteed Memorial Cup birth. The team has some quality draft picks coming up that they can either use or move if they are targeting a certain age group. There is also the other item at play here - the Sea Dogs lease is up at the end of this season. Will Scott McCain be selling the team or re-signing another lease contract? If he is selling, I would think he would get more $ if the team was coming off a respectable finish to the season vs a team with a couple of unproven 16 / 17 y/o and no real scoring for next year. There's like 20 years of history there now. What stage of a rebuild they're in won't have any effect on their value. And if it did...going scorched earth and adding more future assets would add that value. Not having an expiring 20yr old like Reynolds who can't come back. Respectable finish with expiring vets doesn't have more long term value then the draft picks and younger players you would get for them. This isn't the NHL where next year is another step on a long rebuild. With 4-5 year shelf life you can't get stuck holding valuable expiring talent while at the bottom of the league. Why would the person buying the team for next year care how a Reynolds team finished this yer? They're more interested in those unproven 16/17yr olds because they can at least play for them. You can develop an unproven 17/18 in the fall. You can't develop a guy playing CIS. |
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 24, 2023 12:18:30 GMT -4
The question we need to ask ourselves as an organization is try to target OA for next season then most of the 19 we should see if we can get either draft picks or younger players also try to trade high potential 18 year old like Elie, Bilodeau, euros I think will be harder to move, for our OA this year Reynolds no questions ask should not be here after Christmas break Leaver and Gauthier I would keep for the rest of the season. My OA for next season would be Tivey, Reinhart I think we can give the net to Robinson next season so I would keep either Akkouche or Laforge. It would be a very difficult 2nd half but with the picks we have next season plus what we would be getting for the trades during the break we would be going in the right direction. There's like 20 years of history there now. What stage of a rebuild they're in won't have any effect on their value. And if it did...going scorched earth and adding more future assets would add that value. Not having an expiring 20yr old like Reynolds who can't come back. Respectable finish with expiring vets doesn't have more long term value then the draft picks and younger players you would get for them. This isn't the NHL where next year is another step on a long rebuild. With 4-5 year shelf life you can't get stuck holding valuable expiring talent while at the bottom of the league. Why would the person buying the team for next year care how a Reynolds team finished this yer? They're more interested in those unproven 16/17yr olds because they can at least play for them. You can develop an unproven 17/18 in the fall. You can't develop a guy playing CIS. You are forgetting about Ianiello. Also, there's a chance that Mann is back (if he signs before Dec 31 of this year, his contract slides next year. If not, he is unlikely to see an ELC til his 21 year-old season). |
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Post by quispammer on Nov 24, 2023 13:03:24 GMT -4
Why would we keep Ianiello he’s terrible defensively and I would rater give PP minutes to younger players who will eventually play those important minutes in the coming years. Even if they make mistakes that is called development I can’t stand it when I see 19 and 20 year old players on the PP if you’re in a rebuilding mode. The question we need to ask ourselves as an organization is try to target OA for next season then most of the 19 we should see if we can get either draft picks or younger players also try to trade high potential 18 year old like Elie, Bilodeau, euros I think will be harder to move, for our OA this year Reynolds no questions ask should not be here after Christmas break Leaver and Gauthier I would keep for the rest of the season. My OA for next season would be Tivey, Reinhart I think we can give the net to Robinson next season so I would keep either Akkouche or Laforge. It would be a very difficult 2nd half but with the picks we have next season plus what we would be getting for the trades during the break we would be going in the right direction. You are forgetting about Ianiello. Also, there's a chance that Mann is back (if he signs before Dec 31 of this year, his contract slides next year. If not, he is unlikely to see an ELC til his 21 year-old season). |
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 24, 2023 13:27:10 GMT -4
Why would we keep Ianiello he’s terrible defensively and I would rater give PP minutes to younger players who will eventually play those important minutes in the coming years. Even if they make mistakes that is called development I can’t stand it when I see 19 and 20 year old players on the PP if you’re in a rebuilding mode. You are forgetting about Ianiello. Also, there's a chance that Mann is back (if he signs before Dec 31 of this year, his contract slides next year. If not, he is unlikely to see an ELC til his 21 year-old season). There should be 3-4 PP spots available. Right now, Ianniello and Bilodeau are key members of this (and Amyot would likely join them) but I'm not sure that we have anyone that Ianniello would block next year. Looking at our potential D, we have Bilodeau, Tivey (if he isn't traded), Mann (if he isn't traded), Amyot, Duhamel, Richard, MacLean. There are a couple of guys ahead of him for OA, but there aren't a whole of PP options. |
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 24, 2023 14:40:38 GMT -4
My entire thought process has changed numerous times on this.
For Reynolds, I don't know that he wants to move, and I don't know that the value will be there. Short of a change of heart, I think Reynolds finishes here.
Reinhart (found goods part 1) - I had always thought that Reinhart would be here this year as more of a top 6 on a bottom team kind of guy. As of right now, the non-20s who have a higher PPG and who could be available are: Minville, Fauchon, Henneberry, Arsenault and Lévesque (Gatineau). There could be something to be had in moving him (or he could provide value as a decent top 6 guy).
Elie - I never imagined that Elie would take this big of a step forward. He's also 18 which would add value, but there's no reason to jump into a deal
Mateiko/Simek - We have one more year of each player, but each has blossomed into quality imports. Cibulka is the only import who could be available who could be better (but he's a D). They would be upgrades on every contender not named BC or Victoriaville.
Tivey (found goods part 2) - What a developmental arc Nate has followed. He could definitely be a quality D for a contender if someone wanted to come calling.
Mann - SJ paid a lot for Mann, but he's really come around. He's another guy that could help a contender.
Ianniello (found goods part 3) - lightning in a bottle. The Q has always been known for teams seeking PP QBs and Ianniello fits the mold. I'm not sure that there is a market for him.
Bilodeau - his all around game has improved dramatically since last season. He doesn't have the points, because Ianniello is playing the point on PP1, but Bilodeau has quietly become a solid top 4 for SJ. He's only 18, so his situation is like Elie's.
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Post by ysj28 on Nov 24, 2023 18:19:44 GMT -4
Jeremie Richard has been practicing with the team this week so we could see him slot in to a game this weekend.
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 24, 2023 18:49:53 GMT -4
Jeremie Richard has been practicing with the team this week so we could see him slot in to a game this weekend. It is "injury" season, though I'd love to see how he has progressed |
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Post by ysj28 on Nov 24, 2023 18:54:31 GMT -4
Thifault has also been assigned to Valleyfield
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 24, 2023 18:59:43 GMT -4
Thifault has also been assigned to Valleyfield He could use a chance to play more. Outside of the guys playing top 6 last game, only Beveridge, Bellemare, and Beaulieu have played like every day players. |
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 24, 2023 20:13:33 GMT -4
Heading into Christmas, SJ has 14 8 2
Potential second half call ups could include:
Lyons
O'Blenis
Beaudry
Richard
Duhamel
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 26, 2023 12:22:31 GMT -4
Jeremie Richard has been practicing with the team this week so we could see him slot in to a game this weekend. Richard is in today |
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Post by quispammer on Nov 26, 2023 15:26:45 GMT -4
Thiffault left the team and he might not be the last one from what I ear, something definitely wrong. Thifault has also been assigned to Valleyfield |
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