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Post by islander19 on Apr 4, 2024 19:12:34 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 5, 2024 8:30:36 GMT -4
As good of a return Kearsey would pull, Hulton has been quoted as saying Kearsey is the future captain of this team. I think his impact in the locker room and in the community is too much for him to consider moving on from Kearsey. Plus, in the draft, Kearsey pretty much only wanted to go to Charlottetown if I do recall correctly. Still though, I like the way you think. Kearsey is going nowhere. He just turned 18. What sense is it to trade an 18yr old with 3 years left. For a draft pick(s) that may bust. That’s right, no sense. His value will be at 19 @ Xmas time at the earliest. Unless the team is shit at that time, he’s staying put. What sense is keeping a player who can never be part of a competitive club until his return is a late first, prospect, roster player from a contender when if you cash out now you can get way more assets that could align with playing on a contending team in 3 or 4 years? Kearsey isn't a sure thing to play at 20. So if you wait until he's 19 the return is going to be much less. Cashing out on him during a Memorial Cup season and getting say a potential top 5 pick and other assets is not near the same as doing so on his last few months of service at 19. |
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Post by davo1997 on Apr 5, 2024 9:11:48 GMT -4
Kearsey is going nowhere. He just turned 18. What sense is it to trade an 18yr old with 3 years left. For a draft pick(s) that may bust. That’s right, no sense. His value will be at 19 @ Xmas time at the earliest. Unless the team is shit at that time, he’s staying put. What sense is keeping a player who can never be part of a competitive club until his return is a late first, prospect, roster player from a contender when if you cash out now you can get way more assets that could align with playing on a contending team in 3 or 4 years? Kearsey isn't a sure thing to play at 20. So if you wait until he's 19 the return is going to be much less. Cashing out on him during a Memorial Cup season and getting say a potential top 5 pick and other assets is not near the same as doing so on his last few months of service at 19. I doubt Kearsey plays when hes 20. I feel Islanders should trade him for sure last thing you want is to see Kearsey go for nothing and not even go on a run with the team. Luckily fans dont make trades lol becuase kearsey will get two firsts and a premium prospect for sure. I see his best fit in BLB |
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Post by sc74 on Apr 5, 2024 9:13:51 GMT -4
Kearsey is going nowhere. He just turned 18. What sense is it to trade an 18yr old with 3 years left. For a draft pick(s) that may bust. That’s right, no sense. His value will be at 19 @ Xmas time at the earliest. Unless the team is shit at that time, he’s staying put. What sense is keeping a player who can never be part of a competitive club until his return is a late first, prospect, roster player from a contender when if you cash out now you can get way more assets that could align with playing on a contending team in 3 or 4 years? Kearsey isn't a sure thing to play at 20. So if you wait until he's 19 the return is going to be much less. Cashing out on him during a Memorial Cup season and getting say a potential top 5 pick and other assets is not near the same as doing so on his last few months of service at 19. Chicoutimi is building around their 2006-2007 players and they will need to add on defense (they don't have a top 2006 defenseman). They have several first round picks. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 5, 2024 9:26:10 GMT -4
What sense is keeping a player who can never be part of a competitive club until his return is a late first, prospect, roster player from a contender when if you cash out now you can get way more assets that could align with playing on a contending team in 3 or 4 years? Kearsey isn't a sure thing to play at 20. So if you wait until he's 19 the return is going to be much less. Cashing out on him during a Memorial Cup season and getting say a potential top 5 pick and other assets is not near the same as doing so on his last few months of service at 19. Chicoutimi is building around their 2006-2007 players and they will need to add on defense (they don't have a top 2006 defenseman). They have several first round picks. Every contender will want him. Cape Breton will have a lottery pick and a future 1st and some solid prospects to fit Charlottetown's cycle. |
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Post by fanofthegame on Apr 5, 2024 9:37:32 GMT -4
Chicoutimi is building around their 2006-2007 players and they will need to add on defense (they don't have a top 2006 defenseman). They have several first round picks. Every contender will want him. Cape Breton will have a lottery pick and a future 1st and some solid prospects to fit Charlottetown's cycle. Kearsey in Cibulka becomes expendable and our 20 year old picture gets a little clearer. |
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Post by davo1997 on Apr 5, 2024 9:38:15 GMT -4
Chicoutimi is building around their 2006-2007 players and they will need to add on defense (they don't have a top 2006 defenseman). They have several first round picks. Every contender will want him. Cape Breton will have a lottery pick and a future 1st and some solid prospects to fit Charlottetown's cycle. Gauhtier and Cataford will be the big fish for alot of teams once they are moved those two teams are more than likely out on Kearsey i expect Cape to get Gauthier and rimouski to get Cataford Chicoutimi could work for sure as the will be dominant for the next two seasons. Chicoutimi could do, BAT 1st CHI 1st and a good prospect or a future |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 5, 2024 9:43:00 GMT -4
Every contender will want him. Cape Breton will have a lottery pick and a future 1st and some solid prospects to fit Charlottetown's cycle. Kearsey in Cibulka becomes expendable and our 20 year old picture gets a little clearer. Cibulka is already not a sure thing. The fact he's European and we can already easily name 4 top overagers (Newcombe, Houde, Schmitt, Ruccia) for a contending team without including him means i'll be very surprised if he's back as one of those options. Even if Ruccia is easily expendable. |
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Post by L'il Boy on Apr 5, 2024 10:15:46 GMT -4
As good of a return Kearsey would pull, Hulton has been quoted as saying Kearsey is the future captain of this team. I think his impact in the locker room and in the community is too much for him to consider moving on from Kearsey. Plus, in the draft, Kearsey pretty much only wanted to go to Charlottetown if I do recall correctly. Still though, I like the way you think. Kearsey is going nowhere. He just turned 18. What sense is it to trade an 18yr old with 3 years left. For a draft pick(s) that may bust. That’s right, no sense. His value will be at 19 @ Xmas time at the earliest. Unless the team is shit at that time, he’s staying put. Ummmm....Patrick Guay says hello. |
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Post by guy on Apr 5, 2024 10:40:18 GMT -4
What sense is keeping a player who can never be part of a competitive club until his return is a late first, prospect, roster player from a contender when if you cash out now you can get way more assets that could align with playing on a contending team in 3 or 4 years? Kearsey isn't a sure thing to play at 20. So if you wait until he's 19 the return is going to be much less. Cashing out on him during a Memorial Cup season and getting say a potential top 5 pick and other assets is not near the same as doing so on his last few months of service at 19. I doubt Kearsey plays when hes 20. I feel Islanders should trade him for sure last thing you want is to see Kearsey go for nothing and not even go on a run with the team. Luckily fans dont make trades lol becuase kearsey will get two firsts and a premium prospect for sure. I see his best fit in BLB [ It is not likely Marcus turns pro at 20. First rounders play their 20 yr season for further development. The Islanders had a horse on D last year that signed his ELC and he was 6’4, 220lbs, skate, hit and put up points. He’s a small player and you suggest he can play against full grown men at 20? Maybe Cormier is a better comparison. Third round pick and I think we would all agree Marcus isn’t Lukas. Hulton has stated this publicly for people to cool their jets on this comparison. If he gets drafted, if, it will be late. But that doesn’t change what he is lacking- size, weight and strength. Junior is one thing- lots of good players are amazing at this level. They will never make NHL-AHL level- even ECHL AS WELL.. 50 goal scorers in the Q are playing in the ECHL. Saying all that. He’s a very nice player and is a valuable player for this organization. I do agree if the price is right pull the trigger and get assets back for him. This team isn’t anywhere close to winning anything. Don’t let him walk for nothing. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 5, 2024 10:53:27 GMT -4
I doubt Kearsey plays when hes 20. I feel Islanders should trade him for sure last thing you want is to see Kearsey go for nothing and not even go on a run with the team. Luckily fans dont make trades lol becuase kearsey will get two firsts and a premium prospect for sure. I see his best fit in BLB [ It is not likely Marcus turns pro at 20. First rounders play their 20 yr season for further development. The Islanders had a horse on D last year that signed his ELC and he was 6’4, 220lbs, skate, hit and put up points. He’s a small player and you suggest he can play against full grown men at 20? Maybe Cormier is a better comparison. Third round pick and I think we would all agree Marcus isn’t Lukas. Hulton has stated this publicly for people to cool their jets on this comparison. If he gets drafted, if, it will be late. But that doesn’t change what he is lacking- size, weight and strength. Junior is one thing- lots of good players are amazing at this level. They will never make NHL-AHL level- even ECHL AS WELL.. 50 goal scorers in the Q are playing in the ECHL. Saying all that. He’s a very nice player and is a valuable player for this organization. I do agree if the price is right pull the trigger and get assets back for him. This team isn’t anywhere close to winning anything. Don’t let him walk for nothing. 1st rounders rarely play in the Q at 20. Not sure what you're basing that on. Kearsey as a 4th or 5th round pick could easily project to being a pro player at 20. Thats 3 more summers in the gym. 2 NHL training camps. 2 full QMJHL seasons with the trajectory being among the top D in the league when he's 19. If he's 5'10 180lbs with a pro contract after his 19yr old season he's probably not back in the Q. |
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Post by L'il Boy on Apr 5, 2024 11:20:22 GMT -4
I doubt Kearsey plays when hes 20. I feel Islanders should trade him for sure last thing you want is to see Kearsey go for nothing and not even go on a run with the team. Luckily fans dont make trades lol becuase kearsey will get two firsts and a premium prospect for sure. I see his best fit in BLB [ It is not likely Marcus turns pro at 20. First rounders play their 20 yr season for further development. The Islanders had a horse on D last year that signed his ELC and he was 6’4, 220lbs, skate, hit and put up points. He’s a small player and you suggest he can play against full grown men at 20? Maybe Cormier is a better comparison. Third round pick and I think we would all agree Marcus isn’t Lukas. Hulton has stated this publicly for people to cool their jets on this comparison. If he gets drafted, if, it will be late. But that doesn’t change what he is lacking- size, weight and strength. Junior is one thing- lots of good players are amazing at this level. They will never make NHL-AHL level- even ECHL AS WELL.. 50 goal scorers in the Q are playing in the ECHL. Saying all that. He’s a very nice player and is a valuable player for this organization. I do agree if the price is right pull the trigger and get assets back for him. This team isn’t anywhere close to winning anything. Don’t let him walk for nothing. Cormier at 22 is 5'11" and 185 lbs Kearsey at 17 is 5'11" and 160 lbs Kearsey was the top scoring 17 yr old d-man in the Q and will only get better. If he's on the market, there will be lots of teams interested.
There are lots of examples of later round picks playing AHL at 20. Just looking at the Islanders alumni there's Nicolas Meloche, Guillaume Brisebois, Filip Chlapik, Daniel Sprong, Ryan Graves, Samuel Blais...... |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 5, 2024 11:58:41 GMT -4
[ It is not likely Marcus turns pro at 20. First rounders play their 20 yr season for further development. The Islanders had a horse on D last year that signed his ELC and he was 6’4, 220lbs, skate, hit and put up points. He’s a small player and you suggest he can play against full grown men at 20? Maybe Cormier is a better comparison. Third round pick and I think we would all agree Marcus isn’t Lukas. Hulton has stated this publicly for people to cool their jets on this comparison. If he gets drafted, if, it will be late. But that doesn’t change what he is lacking- size, weight and strength. Junior is one thing- lots of good players are amazing at this level. They will never make NHL-AHL level- even ECHL AS WELL.. 50 goal scorers in the Q are playing in the ECHL. Saying all that. He’s a very nice player and is a valuable player for this organization. I do agree if the price is right pull the trigger and get assets back for him. This team isn’t anywhere close to winning anything. Don’t let him walk for nothing. Cormier at 22 is 5'11" and 185 lbs Kearsey at 17 is 5'11" and 160 lbs Kearsey was the top scoring 17 yr old d-man in the Q and will only get better. If he's on the market, there will be lots of teams interested.
There are lots of examples of later round picks playing AHL at 20. Just looking at the Islanders alumni there's Nicolas Meloche, Guillaume Brisebois, Filip Chlapik, Daniel Sprong, Ryan Graves, Samuel Blais...... Yeah the size would have meant something 20 years ago but now its really more about how he develops between now and the fall of what would be his overage season. If he goes from 49 points this year to back to back point per game+ seasons its hard to image he's an overager unless other parts of his game really go south. |
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Post by heyref on Apr 5, 2024 12:26:58 GMT -4
In my opinion trading Kearsey sets you back more than it helps you. People on here talk about using his value to replace assets to eventually improve...dont you think the team will be improved next year just through experience? Losing Kearsey leaves you another year before gaining anything.... even if we get a 1st rounder this year. That 1st rounder is not going to lead this team as a rookie.
Unless there is a trade or FA pickup after training camp I see Bickle Hughes and Vos back as 20s...we can perhaps pick up a pick for Michel .... After that we only have 3 19 year-olds Jardine Power and Topilnyckyj and perhaps Walker (I don't expect Ozols back).....we will still be a young team but some pretty good experience and a lot of upside.
If we can find a couple of good 17/18 year old Euros we could be really on our way.
With Plamandon ready to play D and hopefully Hickey in goal there is some promise for sure. Could Mossey finally be healthy and ready to join the team after a decent season in JrA?
I am not writing off this group. Sure we need some tweaks...but a year older and some battle testing will pay off for sure.
The biggest thing that needs to improve is the d zone play....getting the puck out of our end needs to be a top priority.
We played a lot of close games this season...and a number of games where we gave up multiple goals in just a few minutes to fall out of a close game. A goal here and a stop there makes a huge difference and changes where we end up in the standings.
Can't wait to see how it all plays out
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 5, 2024 12:38:11 GMT -4
In my opinion trading Kearsey sets you back more than it helps you. People on here talk about using his value to replace assets to eventually improve...dont you think the team will be improved next year just through experience? Losing Kearsey leaves you another year before gaining anything.... even if we get a 1st rounder this year. That 1st rounder is not going to lead this team as a rookie. Unless there is a trade or FA pickup after training camp I see Bickle Hughes and Vos back as 20s...we can perhaps pick up a pick for Michel .... After that we only have 3 19 year-olds Jardine Power and Topilnyckyj and perhaps Walker (I don't expect Ozols back).....we will still be a young team but some pretty good experience and a lot of upside. If we can find a couple of good 17/18 year old Euros we could be really on our way. With Plamandon ready to play D and hopefully Hickey in goal there is some promise for sure. Could Mossey finally be healthy and ready to join the team after a decent season in JrA? I am not writing off this group. Sure we need some tweaks...but a year older and some battle testing will pay off for sure. The biggest thing that needs to improve is the d zone play....getting the puck out of our end needs to be a top priority. We played a lot of close games this season...and a number of games where we gave up multiple goals in just a few minutes to fall out of a close game. A goal here and a stop there makes a huge difference and changes where we end up in the standings. Can't wait to see how it all plays out Its not just you gaining experience though. Look at how the division stacks up. Are you saying you can compete with Cape Breton and Moncton? Both should be in the top 5 of the league. Until Halifax sells off talent they're returning a good core. Bathurst and Saint John will also get better. SJ moved Burbidge, who imo is worth less than Kearsey, for the same reasons you should move Kearsey. You personally don't have to write off the group or player(s) but the reality is that you lack the picks and talent to contend any time soon and if Kearsey plays another 1.5 years you will end up forced to trade him at 19. There's also the fact of it being a Memorial Cup host year for the Q. That means higher prices and more teams buying the best guys on the market. And the trade value different we're talking about in moving him now vs in 1.5 years time at 19 is also massive. You can have a top draft pick for this year just as a part of that return. If you want 1.5 years you're waiting another 2-3 for the return you get and you're looking at years 4/5/6 without contending where if you make the right moves now you don't need to sit through a potentially very frustrating 24/25 season without waiting another year to make the big move and another 2-3 for the return to mature as anything worthwhile in your lineup. The Kearsey you want to keep and trade at 19 could be a star 17yr old by that time in addition to 2-3 other key assets. |
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