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Post by howitzer on Apr 12, 2024 6:35:34 GMT -4
Just so everyone in the discussion is clear, here is what we have for picks (via the French message board that keeps track): 2024: 3-5-7VDO-8-8Rim-8She-11-12-13-14 2025: 1-2Gat-5-6-7-8Rim-9-10-11-12-13-14 2026: 1-2-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 That is two picks in the top 100. Not enough for any team to even function with. So there has to be picks added for this year. No way would I flip the 2025 1st or Gat 2nd for a pick this year. Too dangerous. So what do we have on our roster that could be moved right away for a 2024 selection? -Either Euro if there is any appetite whatsoever and if we know we are moving on... but that maybe gets us pick in the round 6-10 range. -Michel if we want to use Vos as a 20. It is very hard to trade mediocre 20's. Only the great ones get any return value. Even the good ones really don't cost a ton. Michel would need to go to a spot where they are deficient and he's clearly better than an option on that roster. So maybe a 6th round pick there? -We really don't have a lot of forward depth, so you can't really deal from there unless someone comes calling looking specifically for someone. -Here's our current D depth, organized by L/R LHD Owen Conrad Simon Duguay Max Jardine Marcus Kearsey Carl-Etienne Michel Zackary Plamondon RHD Isaac Vos Anton Topilnyckyj Alexis Jacques There's definitely a leftorium happening there on one side. You can further fuel the possibilities of dealing Kearsey. I think that a team might look at Duguay as a potential want. I think there's some decent upside there. He's a a great skater and his experience gained this year should be valuable. I'd prefer to keep him, but maybe he's a guy we take a call on. In terms of just trading guys who are attractive options whose age doesn't match as well, I think you could get interest in a big, experienced D-man like Topo... but that right side is awfully think. I think Jacques is a guy with enough skill to play in the league, there is no one looking to pay to add a guy who played MHL at 18. Creative strategies needed! Disappointing to be going into Year 3 of a rebuild, and you don't have a 1st or 2nd round pick this year. And to only have one 1st in each of the next 2 seasons is weird. There should be multiple top picks in the bank by now. In what trades did Hulton move out all those picks? And there should be veterans on the roster to trade to recoup picks, instead of, more or less, being forced to move a Kearsey. Maybe an example of Hulton being a better coach than GM. |
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Post by howitzer on Apr 12, 2024 6:40:30 GMT -4
Is Robbie Rutledge factor into the picture for next year? What's the story on him? Seems like a guy who should have played all year in the Q.
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Post by bois on Apr 12, 2024 7:32:27 GMT -4
Is Robbie Rutledge factor into the picture for next year? What's the story on him? Seems like a guy who should have played all year in the Q. He didn't want to play... preferred playing with the Caps |
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Post by bois on Apr 12, 2024 7:55:45 GMT -4
Just so everyone in the discussion is clear, here is what we have for picks (via the French message board that keeps track): 2024: 3-5-7VDO-8-8Rim-8She-11-12-13-14 2025: 1-2Gat-5-6-7-8Rim-9-10-11-12-13-14 2026: 1-2-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 That is two picks in the top 100. Not enough for any team to even function with. So there has to be picks added for this year. No way would I flip the 2025 1st or Gat 2nd for a pick this year. Too dangerous. So what do we have on our roster that could be moved right away for a 2024 selection? -Either Euro if there is any appetite whatsoever and if we know we are moving on... but that maybe gets us pick in the round 6-10 range. -Michel if we want to use Vos as a 20. It is very hard to trade mediocre 20's. Only the great ones get any return value. Even the good ones really don't cost a ton. Michel would need to go to a spot where they are deficient and he's clearly better than an option on that roster. So maybe a 6th round pick there? -We really don't have a lot of forward depth, so you can't really deal from there unless someone comes calling looking specifically for someone. -Here's our current D depth, organized by L/R LHD Owen Conrad Simon Duguay Max Jardine Marcus Kearsey Carl-Etienne Michel Zackary Plamondon RHD Isaac Vos Anton Topilnyckyj Alexis Jacques There's definitely a leftorium happening there on one side. You can further fuel the possibilities of dealing Kearsey. I think that a team might look at Duguay as a potential want. I think there's some decent upside there. He's a a great skater and his experience gained this year should be valuable. I'd prefer to keep him, but maybe he's a guy we take a call on. In terms of just trading guys who are attractive options whose age doesn't match as well, I think you could get interest in a big, experienced D-man like Topo... but that right side is awfully think. I think Jacques is a guy with enough skill to play in the league, there is no one looking to pay to add a guy who played MHL at 18. Creative strategies needed! Disappointing to be going into Year 3 of a rebuild, and you don't have a 1st or 2nd round pick this year. And to only have one 1st in each of the next 2 seasons is weird. There should be multiple top picks in the bank by now. In what trades did Hulton move out all those picks? And there should be veterans on the roster to trade to recoup picks, instead of, more or less, being forced to move a Kearsey. Maybe an example of Hulton being a better coach than GM. Hulton traded top picks around like candy for 3 years Under his gm tenure we have actually only had 2 first round selections (Cormier and Conrad) and Conrad I believe was the last pick of the first round traded our 2018 first for Guillame Brisebois traded our 2020 1st for Oscar Plandowski traded our 2021 1st for Colten Ellis traded our 2022 and 2023 1sts for Patrick Guay traded the extra 1st we had acquired in PO Joseph deal for Xavier Simoneau most teams that go for it are built around at least a couple of internally high draft picks..... we got Cormier because David Henley's father was sick and we traded him back home then our top 3 round picks have been 2019 31st Goobie.... couldnt cut it so we traded deep to acquire Ellis then Lapenna 32nd Justin Gill... great pick but wound up moved in the Guay deal 49th Luke Vardy... never played a game 2020 27th Sam Oliver.. solid pick wound up dealt to Drummondville alongwith Goobie to get Lapenna 2021 32nd Mattis Oullet.... wound up dealt for Dawson Stairs 57th Anton Topilnickyj still with us 2022 32nd Marcus Kearsay.. great pick 33rd Alexis Michaud (this was the first year of restocking after the run and we had just 2 2nd round picks in top 3 rounds) 2023 20th Owen Conrad 38th Anthony Flanagan 45th Zachary Plamandon 2024 currently no firsts or 2nds |
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Post by dutchinc on Apr 12, 2024 11:12:52 GMT -4
Is Robbie Rutledge factor into the picture for next year? What's the story on him? Seems like a guy who should have played all year in the Q. He didn't want to play... preferred playing with the Caps He would get much more ice time with the Caps. I don’t blame him. See what happens next season. |
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Post by Ns98 on Apr 12, 2024 11:33:10 GMT -4
He didn't want to play... preferred playing with the Caps He would get much more ice time with the Caps. I don’t blame him. See what happens next season. he’d be a 20yo next season so I doubt he’d be back up. |
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Post by countryboy on Apr 16, 2024 11:48:53 GMT -4
Back to the "trading Kearsey" discussion....
the NHL Central Scouting final came out today and Kearsey was ranked #156 at mid-term and #180 on the final ranking. That is quite a drop. For a defenceman who plays major minutes and approached 50 points as a 17 y/o it is a very low raking and would be very disappointing for Marcus and his family.
But if you follow the draft that is only one set of rankings. The territory that he is in means that the rankings sort of go out the window anyway. There will be guys ranked in the 3rd round on the NHL Central Scouting list who won't get picked at all and there will be guys not ranked at all or in the 200 range who might end up being picked in the 4th round. Kearsey could basically go anywhere from the 3rd round to not at all.
I've maintained that before we rush to trade Kearsey, I would like to know if he is a player who likely has 2 more seasons in major junior or 3 more seasons on major junior so that we really knock it out of the park when determining what his value is.
But it does not change the dilemma that we have not enough picks for the upcoming draft in early June... and it is still the truth that the quickest way to accumulate multiple assets (picks and prospects) is to trade what we have that has highest value.
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Post by islander19 on Apr 16, 2024 12:46:49 GMT -4
Back to the "trading Kearsey" discussion.... the NHL Central Scouting final came out today and Kearsey was ranked #156 at mid-term and #180 on the final ranking. That is quite a drop. For a defenceman who plays major minutes and approached 50 points as a 17 y/o it is a very low raking and would be very disappointing for Marcus and his family. But if you follow the draft that is only one set of rankings. The territory that he is in means that the rankings sort of go out the window anyway. There will be guys ranked in the 3rd round on the NHL Central Scouting list who won't get picked at all and there will be guys not ranked at all or in the 200 range who might end up being picked in the 4th round. Kearsey could basically go anywhere from the 3rd round to not at all. I've maintained that before we rush to trade Kearsey, I would like to know if he is a player who likely has 2 more seasons in major junior or 3 more seasons on major junior so that we really knock it out of the park when determining what his value is. But it does not change the dilemma that we have not enough picks for the upcoming draft in early June... and it is still the truth that the quickest way to accumulate multiple assets (picks and prospects) is to trade what we have that has highest value. Just piggy backing off the central scouting lists, former Islanders Romeo was ranked in the 5th round for NA skaters, with Repcik listed in the 6th round just below Kearsey |
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Post by davo1997 on Apr 16, 2024 12:55:28 GMT -4
Back to the "trading Kearsey" discussion.... the NHL Central Scouting final came out today and Kearsey was ranked #156 at mid-term and #180 on the final ranking. That is quite a drop. For a defenceman who plays major minutes and approached 50 points as a 17 y/o it is a very low raking and would be very disappointing for Marcus and his family. But if you follow the draft that is only one set of rankings. The territory that he is in means that the rankings sort of go out the window anyway. There will be guys ranked in the 3rd round on the NHL Central Scouting list who won't get picked at all and there will be guys not ranked at all or in the 200 range who might end up being picked in the 4th round. Kearsey could basically go anywhere from the 3rd round to not at all. I've maintained that before we rush to trade Kearsey, I would like to know if he is a player who likely has 2 more seasons in major junior or 3 more seasons on major junior so that we really knock it out of the park when determining what his value is. But it does not change the dilemma that we have not enough picks for the upcoming draft in early June... and it is still the truth that the quickest way to accumulate multiple assets (picks and prospects) is to trade what we have that has highest value. The kearsey dilemma is the best one to have do they trade or do they keep? I say he isnt moved this offseason unless the deal consists of two first (one premium first) and a top prospect. I think his draft ranking is off for sure i see him going late 4th early 5th probably around the 140th-160th which we all know hes better than that ranking but the Q will always turn certain NHL teams away. |
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Post by bois on Apr 16, 2024 13:43:59 GMT -4
Back to the "trading Kearsey" discussion.... the NHL Central Scouting final came out today and Kearsey was ranked #156 at mid-term and #180 on the final ranking. That is quite a drop. For a defenceman who plays major minutes and approached 50 points as a 17 y/o it is a very low raking and would be very disappointing for Marcus and his family. But if you follow the draft that is only one set of rankings. The territory that he is in means that the rankings sort of go out the window anyway. There will be guys ranked in the 3rd round on the NHL Central Scouting list who won't get picked at all and there will be guys not ranked at all or in the 200 range who might end up being picked in the 4th round. Kearsey could basically go anywhere from the 3rd round to not at all. I've maintained that before we rush to trade Kearsey, I would like to know if he is a player who likely has 2 more seasons in major junior or 3 more seasons on major junior so that we really knock it out of the park when determining what his value is. But it does not change the dilemma that we have not enough picks for the upcoming draft in early June... and it is still the truth that the quickest way to accumulate multiple assets (picks and prospects) is to trade what we have that has highest value. I do not see how his draft ranking effects his value much at all team that would be trading for him would be doing so for either a run next year and then recoup assets by moving him again at 19 or a team entering a 2 year competitive window much as we were the ear we acquired Guay We certainly didn't pay less for Guay in that scenario and we obviously thought we could move him as a future 20 as well but sadly he went pro instead.... you simply have no idea at this point about that and so that is the acquiring teams problem down the road not ours |
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Post by countryboy on Apr 16, 2024 14:16:52 GMT -4
His draft ranking does not change his value in a trade right now.
But if he is playing as a 20 y/o in the league he is one of the top 20's in the Q that year, without a doubt. We could trade him now and get a great haul. Then his new team could trade him again and get another great haul. Am I being greedy and wanting to keep him because he could end up maintaining his value at 18 and 19? No....I'm more thinking of his value as an asset on the team in 26-27 when he is 20. He's the kind of 20 we want.
But we can hold on to him until he is 20..... but that still doesn't give us an pick in the 2024 draft. If we pick this year with only 2 picks in the first 5 rounds, it will be a lost season of development. We will have preciously little 2008 born talent. You can't just expect a bunch of late picks and free agents to supply the talent that would give you your core for that age group.
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Post by bois on Apr 16, 2024 14:25:32 GMT -4
His draft ranking does not change his value in a trade right now. But if he is playing as a 20 y/o in the league he is one of the top 20's in the Q that year, without a doubt. We could trade him now and get a great haul. Then his new team could trade him again and get another great haul. Am I being greedy and wanting to keep him because he could end up maintaining his value at 18 and 19? No....I'm more thinking of his value as an asset on the team in 26-27 when he is 20. He's the kind of 20 we want. But we can hold on to him until he is 20..... but that still doesn't give us an pick in the 2024 draft. If we pick this year with only 2 picks in the first 5 rounds, it will be a lost season of development. We will have preciously little 2008 born talent. You can't just expect a bunch of late picks and free agents to supply the talent that would give you your core for that age group. Exactly it makes no sense to think we should keep him around in hopes he can be a top 20 year old in the league in 3 years time time to start drafting in the first round regularly and make a trade or two when it's wise as opposed to acquiring former first rounders at exorbinant prices |
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Post by Score on Apr 25, 2024 11:08:49 GMT -4
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Post by islander19 on Apr 25, 2024 11:14:54 GMT -4
Could be a huge signing…kid put up great numbers as a 16 year old playing junior A in Ontario. Same age as a lot of our core, so this lines up perfectly. To me, this shows it’s the end for Ozols as Hickey is hopefully the future now. Ideally you get a 19 year old to split 50/50 with Hickey this coming year I’d say. Another great sign for the organization as I’ve heard rumblings of Hickey thinking about NCAA….this will be the third Newfoundland kid to sign with the Isles after holding out for their 16 y/o year. (Budgell, Butler, Hickey). |
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Post by Score on Apr 25, 2024 11:15:21 GMT -4
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