Trade

[berner]

Nov 16, 2024 14:39:35 GMT -4 davo1997 said:

Nov 16, 2024 14:33:36 GMT -4 galixon said:

Some solid 18yr olds like Quinn Kennedy, Dominic Pilote, Spencer Gill that they'll likely use to pay for some additions (at the draft). Don't know if Gravel would fetch any of those guys, but Rimouski does have assets if they wanted to

They also have the 2025 Moncton 1st that SJ traded them at the draft too

Gravel isnt worth a first or any of the players you mentioned. Ruccia got a 2nd rd pick i get that hes a uero but i expect gravel to bring in the same. 

I can’t imagine that Rimouski will stand pat with St-Hilaire and Lacelle as their tandem in their Memorial Cup host year. Gravel makes a ton of sense for them, let alone the fact that SJ and Rimouski have a long history as trading partners. I could easily see Gravel going there for St-Hilaire + .

I love what Gravel brings to the Seadogs, so I’m not hellbent on seeing him dealt. But if he can bring a return of a tangible asset to help the rebuild then it should happen.

And don’t underestimate what the return could be - you NEED a dependable experienced goaltender in a go-for-it year. Look what the Dogs gave up for 20 yo Jonathan Lemieux if you can’t imagine a 20 year old goaltender having value to a team that needs goaltending for a championship run.

[davo1997]

Nov 16, 2024 15:19:01 GMT -4 galixon said:

Nov 16, 2024 14:39:35 GMT -4 davo1997 said:

Gravel isnt worth a first or any of the players you mentioned. Ruccia got a 2nd rd pick i get that hes a uero but i expect gravel to bring in the same. 

1) Ruccia isn't a euro lol
2) That 1st is going to basically be a 2nd because of compensation picks earlier in the 1st round and how good Moncton is

Obviously they're not getting a legit 1st for Gravel, was just pointing out what assets Rimouski has available to them

Damn I really thought I seen he was when i looked. I still don't see Gravel bringing a premium 2nd rounder.

[berner]

Nov 16, 2024 23:06:51 GMT -4 davo1997 said:

Nov 16, 2024 15:19:01 GMT -4 galixon said:

1) Ruccia isn't a euro lol
2) That 1st is going to basically be a 2nd because of compensation picks earlier in the 1st round and how good Moncton is

Obviously they're not getting a legit 1st for Gravel, was just pointing out what assets Rimouski has available to them

Damn I really thought I seen he was when i looked. I still don't see Gravel bringing a premium 2nd rounder.

So what’s an above-average, experienced 20 year old
Goalie worth to a team that hopes to win a Memorial Cup in their hosting year?

[Briwhel]

Nov 16, 2024 23:06:51 GMT -4 davo1997 said:

Nov 16, 2024 15:19:01 GMT -4 galixon said:

1) Ruccia isn't a euro lol
2) That 1st is going to basically be a 2nd because of compensation picks earlier in the 1st round and how good Moncton is

Obviously they're not getting a legit 1st for Gravel, was just pointing out what assets Rimouski has available to them

Damn I really thought I seen he was when i looked. I still don't see Gravel bringing a premium 2nd rounder.

Ruccia got one plus a 5th and Gravel is a better goalie.

[davo1997]

Nov 17, 2024 7:09:45 GMT -4 Briwhel said:

Nov 16, 2024 23:06:51 GMT -4 davo1997 said:

Damn I really thought I seen he was when i looked. I still don't see Gravel bringing a premium 2nd rounder.

Ruccia got one plus a 5th and Gravel is a better goalie.

We will see. Maybe if it was a full season but hes only gonna be a rental for half the year i agree gravel is good though.

[davo1997]

Nov 16, 2024 23:54:49 GMT -4 berner said:

Nov 16, 2024 23:06:51 GMT -4 davo1997 said:

Damn I really thought I seen he was when i looked. I still don't see Gravel bringing a premium 2nd rounder.

So what’s an above-average, experienced 20 year old
Goalie worth to a team that hopes to win a Memorial Cup in their hosting year?

When the titans grabbed Fitzpatrick and won the mem cup with him they didt pay a premium for him . Half a year rental really killed his value and the titans snagged him for cheap. Lots of other OA goalies besides Gravel on the market aswell. 

[jordo999]

Lapenna in recent years to Gatineau didn’t even go for a 1st and he was the best goalie on the market at the time

As good as Gravel is, the OA goalie market is very tough in terms of getting great assets in return. Theres also Rousseau, who I’m sure would be contenders 1st choice if going for an OA goalie and even he may not fetch a 1st

I also think Rimouski is fine with St-Hilaire and Lacelle as a tandem. But if they do upgrade they probably grab Rousseau. Rimouski also still needs depth elsewhere and will likely use their futures to do so.

[SjRinkSideRebel]

Current Rimouski 20's

Rank Pos  #   Player                 GP   G    A   PTS
3      LW   81  Mathieu, Jacob    18   13   10  23
12     D     5   Roy, Pier-Olivier   21    1    7    8

Rank Pos  #    Player                    GP   SH     SAV   GA   SO    GAA    SAV%     W     L
1       G   31    St-Hilaire, Samuel  13    346    302   44    0 3   .38     0.873      8     5

one of these would have to go in a trade with Gravel

They are not trading the number 3 rank on the team, and we don't need a defenseman, so it leaves St-Hilaire and draft picks.

It would be a St-Hilaire, another upcoming 17yo player, and a draft pick to make any sense.

[galixon]

Nov 17, 2024 8:37:28 GMT -4 davo1997 said:

Nov 16, 2024 23:54:49 GMT -4 berner said:

So what’s an above-average, experienced 20 year old
Goalie worth to a team that hopes to win a Memorial Cup in their hosting year?

When the titans grabbed Fitzpatrick and won the mem cup with him they didt pay a premium for him . Half a year rental really killed his value and the titans snagged him for cheap. Lots of other OA goalies besides Gravel on the market aswell. 

That's not a comparable situation though.. Fitzpatrick was a struggling former 4th overall pick and they traded another struggling goalie with potential for him, then were able to get him back on track and it worked out.

Fitzpatrick's value really had nothing to do with him being a "half season rental"

[davo1997]

Nov 17, 2024 16:50:46 GMT -4 galixon said:

Nov 17, 2024 8:37:28 GMT -4 davo1997 said:

When the titans grabbed Fitzpatrick and won the mem cup with him they didt pay a premium for him . Half a year rental really killed his value and the titans snagged him for cheap. Lots of other OA goalies besides Gravel on the market aswell. 

That's not a comparable situation though.. Fitzpatrick was a struggling former 4th overall pick and they traded another struggling goalie with potential for him, then were able to get him back on track and it worked out.

Fitzpatrick's value really had nothing to do with him being a "half season rental"

Picard was not reliable what so every he was taking leaves and very bad penalties constantly. Gravel isn't the only 20 option and I don't even think he's the best option. 

I'm not sure what potential Pickard had as he was a complete liability. I think Gravel stays in SJ and Rousseau heads to Rimouski. 

[fanofthegame]

When St.Hilaire was traded to RIM, he was not even in the Q, he refused to report to SHE and was exploring pro options. Since joining RIM, his #'s have been far from pro-like.
Let's assume RIM does want Rousseau, I am not sure St.Hilaire would even report to HAL. The goalie situation in RIM, Filion, Miller, St.Hilaire and now potentially a new 20 has been quite the roller coaster ride.

[ysj28]

Nov 18, 2024 9:01:53 GMT -4 fanofthegame said:

When St.Hilaire was traded to RIM, he was not even in the Q, he refused to report to SHE and was exploring pro options. Since joining RIM, his #'s have been far from pro-like.
Let's assume RIM does want Rousseau, I am not sure St.Hilaire would even report to HAL. The goalie situation in RIM, Filion, Miller, St.Hilaire and now potentially a new 20 has been quite the roller coaster ride.

Miller is supposed to be back in Feb - March - so who knows what they will do when he is game ready again. 

[davo1997]

Nov 18, 2024 9:01:53 GMT -4 fanofthegame said:

When St.Hilaire was traded to RIM, he was not even in the Q, he refused to report to SHE and was exploring pro options. Since joining RIM, his #'s have been far from pro-like.
Let's assume RIM does want Rousseau, I am not sure St.Hilaire would even report to HAL. The goalie situation in RIM, Filion, Miller, St.Hilaire and now potentially a new 20 has been quite the roller coaster ride.

I agree with this but if St.hilaire doesn't start playing good with consistency his time in the Q could be up in general. If a trade does happen it will likely be wit Halifax or SJ and i think St.hilaire would report to either franchise.

[puckstopper]

I feel that Gravel will still be with the team after Christmas unless they get an offer to good to turn down. Who else could be traded? I think the only ones that are being looked at are Mateiko, Peddle, Tivey and maybe Mann. What are they worth?

[Briwhel]

Nov 18, 2024 12:18:03 GMT -4 puckstopper said:

I feel that Gravel will still be with the team after Christmas unless they get an offer to good to turn down. Who else could be traded? I think the only ones that are being looked at are Mateiko, Peddle, Tivey and maybe Mann. What are they worth?

While Gravel is playing well, he's a hard trade because of his value to us. IMO, only one of he and Rousseau will likely move because of value.

Mateiko is easily the best import on the market and would be a bigtime upgrade for a team like Rimouski or Cape Breton.

Peddle is a risk because he might be a 1.5 year player. He's playing well, and he's definitely in the top couple of 19s that could be available.

Tivey should be available and is arguably the best D available.

I don't think SJ would move Mann (need some experience), but Bilodeau could be moved to open up playing time for younger guys.

In terms of returns, Gravel would likely be something like late 1st (if Rimouski) or early 2nd plus a couple of other picks. For Mateiko and Tivey, we would be looking at something like 2 2s and 3 or equivalent (though younger players could be substituted for picks).

For Peddle, that's a tougher one. He helps every contender and should be a positive to anyone but we'd need a fairly big return (something like 1 plus prospect plus more picks or a future).

Bilodeau is an interesting guy because he is definitely a 1.5 year guy. IMO, he would best be moved in a scenario that SJ is trying to buy a player off someone that needs depth (or as a supplement in another deal to backfill a created gap like if Mateiko were to go to Drummondville or Cape Breton).