You think Hodge is a tad biased?

[lou]

murph said:

chsb said:

On the other topic, you omitted to mention Clendenning and Massé as top-2 liners.
So let me review with you:
Messier/Massé-Perreault-Svoboda
Clendenning-Messier(?)-?

Only 1 2nd liner missing and I have the following possibilities:
Joly
Grenache
Mailloux
Faille
Jezegou

Whoever goes up to 2nd line does not deplete the 3rd line because we are left with 4 of 3rd liners for any team in the Q.
Plus we have Critchlow,Couture,Legros,Lambke as 4th liners/backups.

Evaluating that 3rd liners as a whole will score 40 goals does not impede one of 3rd liners going up to 2nd line.
Whoever is left on 3rd line still gives us 40 goals potentila for that line.
The question remains IF any 3rd liner going to 2nd line will match Messier's or Massé's scoring on the 2nd line.
Theer is absolutely no doubt for me that any of Massé/Messier will match Bartos' potential goals scoring output....

Here's how I see you players:

1st liners: Mathieu Perrault

2nd liners: Svoboda (higher end 2nd liner), Masse and Messier

3rd liners: Clendenning, Joly, Faille, Jezegou

4th liners: Everybody else


Now, like I said, it's possible guys will develop and get bumped up. The only guy I think could turn into an impact 1st line player is Svoboda. Jordan Clendenning is a guy that I don't think will develop. He's been in the league long enough, and what you see is what you get. He's a very good 3rd line center, perhaps the best. Now matter how you slice it though, you will be at least 1 impact forward short of a contender. Halifax could have Voracek make Columbus, and they'd still be ahead of Bathurst. A lot of things will need to go right for Bathurst to be a contender, or managment will just have to believe in the team, and load up and hope for the best.

When you crunch your numbers, and calculate how your team (which wasn't overly imprrssive offensivly last year to begin with) will now handle the losses of Beauregaurd and Bartos.... are you factoring in loss production from Perrault? You should be. Perrault will not only miss more time due to NHL camp, Team Canada evaluation, potentially world juniors..... but his linemates have taken a serious downgrade from a year to go, and Perrault's production could take a hit as well, even though the team itself is more well rounded.

I'm anxious to see the arguments about Halifax if their goaltending remains the same (something about a contender needing top notch goaltending ?? ). Hopefully the same folks that criticized "other" team's goaltending in the past will not pull a 180...but THAT is for another day

[chsb]

murph said:

chsb said:

On the other topic, you omitted to mention Clendenning and Massé as top-2 liners.
So let me review with you:
Messier/Massé-Perreault-Svoboda
Clendenning-Messier(?)-?

Only 1 2nd liner missing and I have the following possibilities:
Joly
Grenache
Mailloux
Faille
Jezegou

Whoever goes up to 2nd line does not deplete the 3rd line because we are left with 4 of 3rd liners for any team in the Q.
Plus we have Critchlow,Couture,Legros,Lambke as 4th liners/backups.

Evaluating that 3rd liners as a whole will score 40 goals does not impede one of 3rd liners going up to 2nd line.
Whoever is left on 3rd line still gives us 40 goals potentila for that line.
The question remains IF any 3rd liner going to 2nd line will match Messier's or Massé's scoring on the 2nd line.
Theer is absolutely no doubt for me that any of Massé/Messier will match Bartos' potential goals scoring output....

Here's how I see you players:

1st liners: Mathieu Perrault

2nd liners: Svoboda (higher end 2nd liner), Masse and Messier

3rd liners: Clendenning, Joly, Faille, Jezegou

4th liners: Everybody else


Now, like I said, it's possible guys will develop and get bumped up. The only guy I think could turn into an impact 1st line player is Svoboda. Jordan Clendenning is a guy that I don't think will develop. He's been in the league long enough, and what you see is what you get. He's a very good 3rd line center, perhaps the best. Now matter how you slice it though, you will be at least 1 impact forward short of a contender. Halifax could have Voracek make Columbus, and they'd still be ahead of Bathurst. A lot of things will need to go right for Bathurst to be a contender, or managment will just have to believe in the team, and load up and hope for the best.

When you crunch your numbers, and calculate how your team (which wasn't overly imprrssive offensivly last year to begin with) will now handle the losses of Beauregaurd and Bartos.... are you factoring in loss production from Perrault? You should be. Perrault will not only miss more time due to NHL camp, Team Canada evaluation, potentially world juniors..... but his linemates have taken a serious downgrade from a year to go, and Perrault's production could take a hit as well, even though the team itself is more well rounded.

Yet you keep predicting that the Mooseheads, having scored 266 points....25 less than the Titan....will lead the Q....

The thing is that you say the Titan were not overly impressive offensively last season....when the Titan were the 5th best offensively....and the 2nd bests in the Division.

Mentioning that Clendenning is a well rounded 3rd liner is probably the biggest joke of all your post....he is one 2nd liner and a very good one at that.

[lou]

chsb said:

murph said:

Here's how I see you players:

1st liners: Mathieu Perrault

2nd liners: Svoboda (higher end 2nd liner), Masse and Messier

3rd liners: Clendenning, Joly, Faille, Jezegou

4th liners: Everybody else


Now, like I said, it's possible guys will develop and get bumped up. The only guy I think could turn into an impact 1st line player is Svoboda. Jordan Clendenning is a guy that I don't think will develop. He's been in the league long enough, and what you see is what you get. He's a very good 3rd line center, perhaps the best. Now matter how you slice it though, you will be at least 1 impact forward short of a contender. Halifax could have Voracek make Columbus, and they'd still be ahead of Bathurst. A lot of things will need to go right for Bathurst to be a contender, or managment will just have to believe in the team, and load up and hope for the best.

When you crunch your numbers, and calculate how your team (which wasn't overly imprrssive offensivly last year to begin with) will now handle the losses of Beauregaurd and Bartos.... are you factoring in loss production from Perrault? You should be. Perrault will not only miss more time due to NHL camp, Team Canada evaluation, potentially world juniors..... but his linemates have taken a serious downgrade from a year to go, and Perrault's production could take a hit as well, even though the team itself is more well rounded.

Yet you keep predicting that the Mooseheads, having scored 266 points....25 less than the Titan....will lead the Q....

The thing is that you say the Titan were not overly impressive offensively last season....when the Titan were the 5th best offensively....and the 2nd bests in the Division.

Mentioning that Clendenning is a well rounded 3rd liner is probably the biggest joke of all your post....he is one 2nd liner and a very good one at that.

Pssst, if you wanna argue the Moose, you may want to take the angle of goals allowed this year rather than goals they score...just 2 cents I had floating around

[Captain Obvious]

chsb said:

murph said:

Here's how I see you players:

1st liners: Mathieu Perrault

2nd liners: Svoboda (higher end 2nd liner), Masse and Messier

3rd liners: Clendenning, Joly, Faille, Jezegou

4th liners: Everybody else


Now, like I said, it's possible guys will develop and get bumped up. The only guy I think could turn into an impact 1st line player is Svoboda. Jordan Clendenning is a guy that I don't think will develop. He's been in the league long enough, and what you see is what you get. He's a very good 3rd line center, perhaps the best. Now matter how you slice it though, you will be at least 1 impact forward short of a contender. Halifax could have Voracek make Columbus, and they'd still be ahead of Bathurst. A lot of things will need to go right for Bathurst to be a contender, or managment will just have to believe in the team, and load up and hope for the best.

When you crunch your numbers, and calculate how your team (which wasn't overly imprrssive offensivly last year to begin with) will now handle the losses of Beauregaurd and Bartos.... are you factoring in loss production from Perrault? You should be. Perrault will not only miss more time due to NHL camp, Team Canada evaluation, potentially world juniors..... but his linemates have taken a serious downgrade from a year to go, and Perrault's production could take a hit as well, even though the team itself is more well rounded.

Yet you keep predicting that the Mooseheads, having scored 266 points....25 less than the Titan....will lead the Q....

The thing is that you say the Titan were not overly impressive offensively last season....when the Titan were the 5th best offensively....and the 2nd bests in the Division.

Mentioning that Clendenning is a well rounded 3rd liner is probably the biggest joke of all your post....he is one 2nd liner and a very good one at that.

Halifax is returning basically their whole team, natural progression should add 30-40 goals...plus they added a pretty good Euro.

Bathurst lost Beauregard, Bartos plus Carle(who contributed to those numbers for half the year)..added Messier Svoboda and Mailloux.

[SteveUL]

chsb said:

murph said:

Here's how I see you players:

1st liners: Mathieu Perrault

2nd liners: Svoboda (higher end 2nd liner), Masse and Messier

3rd liners: Clendenning, Joly, Faille, Jezegou

4th liners: Everybody else


Now, like I said, it's possible guys will develop and get bumped up. The only guy I think could turn into an impact 1st line player is Svoboda. Jordan Clendenning is a guy that I don't think will develop. He's been in the league long enough, and what you see is what you get. He's a very good 3rd line center, perhaps the best. Now matter how you slice it though, you will be at least 1 impact forward short of a contender. Halifax could have Voracek make Columbus, and they'd still be ahead of Bathurst. A lot of things will need to go right for Bathurst to be a contender, or managment will just have to believe in the team, and load up and hope for the best.

When you crunch your numbers, and calculate how your team (which wasn't overly imprrssive offensivly last year to begin with) will now handle the losses of Beauregaurd and Bartos.... are you factoring in loss production from Perrault? You should be. Perrault will not only miss more time due to NHL camp, Team Canada evaluation, potentially world juniors..... but his linemates have taken a serious downgrade from a year to go, and Perrault's production could take a hit as well, even though the team itself is more well rounded.

Yet you keep predicting that the Mooseheads, having scored 266 points....25 less than the Titan....will lead the Q....

The thing is that you say the Titan were not overly impressive offensively last season....when the Titan were the 5th best offensively....and the 2nd bests in the Division.

Mentioning that Clendenning is a well rounded 3rd liner is probably the biggest joke of all your post....he is one 2nd liner and a very good one at that.

Clendenning is a key player ... but using him in a 2nd line role is stretching his abilities a little too far. He doesn't hurt you there ... but he also isn't much of an impact there either. His 16 goals and 51 pts at 19 are not impressive numbers on a 2nd line for a team that was 5th in scoring.

You get more bang for your buck using Clendenning as a shutdown type center ... which he excels at ... and log a ton of PK work. He is like Chris Gaudet ... immensely valuable to his team ... but not in an offensive way ... and any offense you get from him is bonus.

But ... if you have nobody else that could provide more offense on that 2nd line then Clendenning will do ... but that just shows your depth again.

[chsb]

steveul said:

chsb said:

Yet you keep predicting that the Mooseheads, having scored 266 points....25 less than the Titan....will lead the Q....

The thing is that you say the Titan were not overly impressive offensively last season....when the Titan were the 5th best offensively....and the 2nd bests in the Division.

Mentioning that Clendenning is a well rounded 3rd liner is probably the biggest joke of all your post....he is one 2nd liner and a very good one at that.

Clendenning is a key player ... but using him in a 2nd line role is stretching his abilities a little too far. He doesn't hurt you there ... but he also isn't much of an impact there either. His 16 goals and 51 pts at 19 are not impressive numbers on a 2nd line for a team that was 5th in scoring.

You get more bang for your buck using Clendenning as a shutdown type center ... which he excels at ... and log a ton of PK work. He is like Chris Gaudet ... immensely valuable to his team ... but not in an offensive way ... and any offense you get from him is bonus.

But ... if you have nobody else that could provide more offense on that 2nd line then Clendenning will do ... but that just shows your depth again.

Actually you check Clendenning's stats on an off year he had and he proved that in the playoffs scoring 7 goals in 12 games....and the year before.
You are sorely mistaking if you believe Jordan is a 2nd class top-2 lines player.....he is just as good as Karl Fournier was....

[SteveUL]

chsb said:

steveul said:

You are sorely mistaking if you believe Jordan is a 2nd class top-2 lines player.....he is just as good as Karl Fournier was....

Thats a good one ...

[Murph]

mikeb said:

murph said:

Here's how I see you players:

1st liners: Mathieu Perrault

2nd liners: Svoboda (higher end 2nd liner), Masse and Messier

3rd liners: Clendenning, Joly, Faille, Jezegou

4th liners: Everybody else


Now, like I said, it's possible guys will develop and get bumped up. The only guy I think could turn into an impact 1st line player is Svoboda. Jordan Clendenning is a guy that I don't think will develop. He's been in the league long enough, and what you see is what you get. He's a very good 3rd line center, perhaps the best. Now matter how you slice it though, you will be at least 1 impact forward short of a contender. Halifax could have Voracek make Columbus, and they'd still be ahead of Bathurst. A lot of things will need to go right for Bathurst to be a contender, or managment will just have to believe in the team, and load up and hope for the best.

When you crunch your numbers, and calculate how your team (which wasn't overly imprrssive offensivly last year to begin with) will now handle the losses of Beauregaurd and Bartos.... are you factoring in loss production from Perrault? You should be. Perrault will not only miss more time due to NHL camp, Team Canada evaluation, potentially world juniors..... but his linemates have taken a serious downgrade from a year to go, and Perrault's production could take a hit as well, even though the team itself is more well rounded.

The team was 5th in scoring. Guess it takes a lot to impress you.

Me thinks you are not being fair to the Titan in your evaluation.

When I say less than impressive, I'm referring to what you're bringing back. That team had major contributions from Beauregard and Carle. I'd be interested to see what you GPG was pre-Carle, compared to post-Carle. Looking at the players you were entering this season with, only Perrault, Svoboda and Bartos could be considered definate impact guys. Now down to two....

[Murph]

lou said:

murph said:

Here's how I see you players:

1st liners: Mathieu Perrault

2nd liners: Svoboda (higher end 2nd liner), Masse and Messier

3rd liners: Clendenning, Joly, Faille, Jezegou

4th liners: Everybody else


Now, like I said, it's possible guys will develop and get bumped up. The only guy I think could turn into an impact 1st line player is Svoboda. Jordan Clendenning is a guy that I don't think will develop. He's been in the league long enough, and what you see is what you get. He's a very good 3rd line center, perhaps the best. Now matter how you slice it though, you will be at least 1 impact forward short of a contender. Halifax could have Voracek make Columbus, and they'd still be ahead of Bathurst. A lot of things will need to go right for Bathurst to be a contender, or managment will just have to believe in the team, and load up and hope for the best.

When you crunch your numbers, and calculate how your team (which wasn't overly imprrssive offensivly last year to begin with) will now handle the losses of Beauregaurd and Bartos.... are you factoring in loss production from Perrault? You should be. Perrault will not only miss more time due to NHL camp, Team Canada evaluation, potentially world juniors..... but his linemates have taken a serious downgrade from a year to go, and Perrault's production could take a hit as well, even though the team itself is more well rounded.

I'm anxious to see the arguments about Halifax if their goaltending remains the same (something about a contender needing top notch goaltending ?? ). Hopefully the same folks that criticized "other" team's goaltending in the past will not pull a 180...but THAT is for another day

As it stands now, Halifax's goaltending is in exactly the same situation as Bathurst's. Each team has an inexperienced, yet talented guy with potential to blossom, who pretty much have 3 months to impress.

[mikeb]

murph said:

lou said:

I'm anxious to see the arguments about Halifax if their goaltending remains the same (something about a contender needing top notch goaltending ?? ). Hopefully the same folks that criticized "other" team's goaltending in the past will not pull a 180...but THAT is for another day

As it stands now, Halifax's goaltending is in exactly the same situation as Bathurst's. Each team has an inexperienced, yet talented guy with potential to blossom, who pretty much have 3 months to impress.

Not exactly.

Halifax has 2 19YO guys who are fighting to be the first string goalie which is something they never were before and neither goalie was considered a hot prospect when drafted.

Bathurst has a 17YO goalie who was ranked in the 1st round in the entry draft.

The potential between Tardif and the other 2 is somewhat different wouldn't you say?

[Captain Obvious]

mikeb said:

murph said:

As it stands now, Halifax's goaltending is in exactly the same situation as Bathurst's. Each team has an inexperienced, yet talented guy with potential to blossom, who pretty much have 3 months to impress.

Not exactly.

Halifax has 2 19YO guys who are fighting to be the first string goalie which is something they never were before and neither goalie was considered a hot prospect when drafted.

Bathurst has a 17YO goalie who was ranked in the 1st round in the entry draft.

The potential between Tardif and the other 2 is somewhat different wouldn't you say?

Tardif has much more upside...but goalies in junior usually peak at 19-20, not usually 17.

[Porkchop]

mikeb said:

murph said:

Here's how I see you players:

1st liners: Mathieu Perrault

2nd liners: Svoboda (higher end 2nd liner), Masse and Messier

3rd liners: Clendenning, Joly, Faille, Jezegou

4th liners: Everybody else


Now, like I said, it's possible guys will develop and get bumped up. The only guy I think could turn into an impact 1st line player is Svoboda. Jordan Clendenning is a guy that I don't think will develop. He's been in the league long enough, and what you see is what you get. He's a very good 3rd line center, perhaps the best. Now matter how you slice it though, you will be at least 1 impact forward short of a contender. Halifax could have Voracek make Columbus, and they'd still be ahead of Bathurst. A lot of things will need to go right for Bathurst to be a contender, or managment will just have to believe in the team, and load up and hope for the best.

When you crunch your numbers, and calculate how your team (which wasn't overly imprrssive offensivly last year to begin with) will now handle the losses of Beauregaurd and Bartos.... are you factoring in loss production from Perrault? You should be. Perrault will not only miss more time due to NHL camp, Team Canada evaluation, potentially world juniors..... but his linemates have taken a serious downgrade from a year to go, and Perrault's production could take a hit as well, even though the team itself is more well rounded.

The team was 5th in scoring. Guess it takes a lot to impress you.

Me thinks you are not being fair to the Titan in your evaluation.

He's murph, a Halifax fan..........the same could be said about his team........

1st liners.......Voracek
2nd liners......MacMillan, Hillier
etc.

I guess you have to be a superstar to make the 1st line in this league.

[Porkchop]

billy said:

mikeb said:

Not exactly.

Halifax has 2 19YO guys who are fighting to be the first string goalie which is something they never were before and neither goalie was considered a hot prospect when drafted.

Bathurst has a 17YO goalie who was ranked in the 1st round in the entry draft.

The potential between Tardif and the other 2 is somewhat different wouldn't you say?

Tardif has much more upside...but goalies in junior usually peak at 19-20, not usually 17.

When you are 19 and still having a hard time to make it as a backup, let alone a starter, it's about time to admit that you already peaked......which is the case with Halifax's goalies.......I wouldn't want either of their goalies as our backup.

[wingman]

What's wrong with Kennedy or Yetman as backups, if anything they would be the ideal backup. They both have been starters for the Mooseheads last season and as a backup they are reliable enough to come in and play every 5th game or so. Plus if your starter goes down for a few games, they have the experience of being a starter from last season.

[Porkchop]

wingman said:

What's wrong with Kennedy or Yetman as backups, if anything they would be the ideal backup. They both have been starters for the Mooseheads last season and as a backup they are reliable enough to come in and play every 5th game or so. Plus if your starter goes down for a few games, they have the experience of being a starter from last season.

Wouldn't a reliable backup be someone that could step in and you wouldn't worry about every shot taken ending up behind him?.......Maxime Joyal was a very good goalie, and most had him pegged as a backup......he was 4 times what either of Halifax's goalie are.