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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 22, 2007 7:57:48 GMT -4
I can't see any productive moves happening. I really think JB wants to go deep this year to make a name for himself. A third year franchise in the semis or finals is unheard of. The NHL would take notice. . Everett went to the WHL finals in their first year. It's not something that;s unheard of. |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 22, 2007 8:01:09 GMT -4
Grant will be back in the Q as a 20 no real worries about that. And the only thing I think Saint John needs right now is 1 or 2 more 2 way forwards to make a deep run. But we still have to see how the 20's have affected the team trade wise. Grant will lmost likely be pro at 20. He's drafted and most drafted guys don't return as overagers. He'll be in the AHL or ECHL at 20. |
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Post by dogbert on Nov 22, 2007 12:10:45 GMT -4
I can't see any productive moves happening. I really think JB wants to go deep this year to make a name for himself. A third year franchise in the semis or finals is unheard of. The NHL would take notice. . Everett went to the WHL finals in their first year. It's not something that;s unheard of. But what did Everett do in their third year? Huh smarty pants?  |
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Post by P-O on Nov 22, 2007 12:17:04 GMT -4
Grant will play AHL at 20 years old.
I don't see St-Jean as a better team next year than this year. With picard and Howes.. and with so many 20's availlable.. I guess it is time for you to try and go for it now.
That is why I said Keven Desfossés is availlable... one of the best goalie in the league...
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 22, 2007 16:45:52 GMT -4
Everett went to the WHL finals in their first year. It's not something that;s unheard of. But what did Everett do in their third year? Huh smarty pants? They lost in the semi-finals. Like i said, it's not unheard of. (They got to the semis twice in their first three seasons - pretty solid and makes a mockery of the excuses used by a lot of St john's and Saint John fans) (And the WHL is toughter than the QMJHL. for an expansion franchise their four years in existence have been remarkable, with a winning record every year |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Nov 22, 2007 17:38:35 GMT -4
The Everett example is a damn freak of nature though you have to admit. Also, (since I am too lazy to look it up and make sure) did Everett come into the league with another expansion team like the Sea Dogs/Fog Devils did? That lessens the talent pool to pick from when two teams come in at same time.
Plus the only excuse we need around here for our piss poor first two years is "we had Christian LaRue running the show at the beginning." 'Nuff said.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 22, 2007 18:06:18 GMT -4
The Everett example is a damn freak of nature though you have to admit. Also, (since I am too lazy to look it up and make sure) did Everett come into the league with another expansion team like the Sea Dogs/Fog Devils did? That lessens the talent pool to pick from when two teams come in at same time. Plus the only excuse we need around here for our piss poor first two years is "we had Christian LaRue running the show at the beginning." 'Nuff said. They came in on their own but the excuse "Oh we're an expansion team" doesnt wash. (Maybe first year yeah but after that no) plenty of expansion teams have performed well. Yes Everett is an anolomoly but it shows it can be done |
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Post by canucklehead on Nov 22, 2007 20:18:05 GMT -4
The Everett example is a damn freak of nature though you have to admit. Also, (since I am too lazy to look it up and make sure) did Everett come into the league with another expansion team like the Sea Dogs/Fog Devils did? That lessens the talent pool to pick from when two teams come in at same time. Plus the only excuse we need around here for our piss poor first two years is "we had Christian LaRue running the show at the beginning." 'Nuff said. They came in on their own but the excuse "Oh we're an expansion team" doesnt wash. (Maybe first year yeah but after that no) plenty of expansion teams have performed well. Yes Everett is an anolomoly but it shows it can be done It can be done sure but who cares being an expansion team is a fine excuse Ottawa took their lumps but now their a power house in the NHL and they can use the excuse that they were an expansion team any GM or Analyst in hockey knows that. One teams does something good and that throws away any teams excuse because Everett mastered the neutral zone trap when obstruction was an exceptable part of the game. Time have changed you can't get away with grabbing a guy everytime he beats you anymore. |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 22, 2007 20:58:08 GMT -4
They came in on their own but the excuse "Oh we're an expansion team" doesnt wash. (Maybe first year yeah but after that no) plenty of expansion teams have performed well. Yes Everett is an anolomoly but it shows it can be done It can be done sure but who cares being an expansion team is a fine excuse Ottawa took their lumps but now their a power house in the NHL and they can use the excuse that they were an expansion team any GM or Analyst in hockey knows that. One teams does something good and that throws away any teams excuse because Everett mastered the neutral zone trap when obstruction was an exceptable part of the game. Time have changed you can't get away with grabbing a guy everytime he beats you anymore. That excuse doesnt work though, Everett are still winning. Theyve had a winning team every year. But dogs fans have taken the "We're an expansion team" whinging card to a whole new level. It wasn't the fact you were an expansion team as much as bad coaching and poor picks. |
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Post by canucklehead on Nov 22, 2007 21:01:04 GMT -4
It can be done sure but who cares being an expansion team is a fine excuse Ottawa took their lumps but now their a power house in the NHL and they can use the excuse that they were an expansion team any GM or Analyst in hockey knows that. One teams does something good and that throws away any teams excuse because Everett mastered the neutral zone trap when obstruction was an exceptable part of the game. Time have changed you can't get away with grabbing a guy everytime he beats you anymore. That excuse doesnt work though, Everett are still winning. Theyve had a winning team every year. But dogs fans have taken the "We're an expansion team" whinging card to a whole new level. It wasn't the fact you were an expansion team as much as bad coaching and poor picks. But there are not alot of great expansion teams over time the Sens were my example of a patient team building for their future and not they are reaping all the rewards of their patience |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 22, 2007 21:13:33 GMT -4
That excuse doesnt work though, Everett are still winning. Theyve had a winning team every year. But dogs fans have taken the "We're an expansion team" whinging card to a whole new level. It wasn't the fact you were an expansion team as much as bad coaching and poor picks. But there are not alot of great expansion teams over time the Sens were my example of a patient team building for their future and not they are reaping all the rewards of their patience Well if you wanna see a team blow it in the play-offs every year, hey that's your choice!! although comparing an NHL team (or pro on the whole) to a Junior team isn't the best really because it's a huge difference with the age restriction. it's a hugely different philosophy in team building. |
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Post by dogbert on Nov 22, 2007 21:33:23 GMT -4
Regardless, IMO the organization has no interest in selling assets this season. They want to win now.
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Post by bjindaho on Nov 22, 2007 23:52:48 GMT -4
But there are not alot of great expansion teams over time the Sens were my example of a patient team building for their future and not they are reaping all the rewards of their patience Well if you wanna see a team blow it in the play-offs every year, hey that's your choice!! although comparing an NHL team (or pro on the whole) to a Junior team isn't the best really because it's a huge difference with the age restriction. it's a hugely different philosophy in team building. Actually that seems to describe the Mooseheads pretty well |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 23, 2007 3:32:25 GMT -4
Well if you wanna see a team blow it in the play-offs every year, hey that's your choice!! although comparing an NHL team (or pro on the whole) to a Junior team isn't the best really because it's a huge difference with the age restriction. it's a hugely different philosophy in team building. Actually that seems to describe the Mooseheads pretty well They've been to the finals twice in the last few years. If that's blowing it, I'll take it. The Mooseheads haven't been knocked out in the play-offs when they were expected to progress. Hence not blowing it. When they were beaten, they were beaten by better teams. |
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Post by canucklehead on Nov 23, 2007 6:34:14 GMT -4
But there are not alot of great expansion teams over time the Sens were my example of a patient team building for their future and not they are reaping all the rewards of their patience Well if you wanna see a team blow it in the play-offs every year, hey that's your choice!! although comparing an NHL team (or pro on the whole) to a Junior team isn't the best really because it's a huge difference with the age restriction. it's a hugely different philosophy in team building. Actually the philosophy isn't really that different as you suggest because they both started with a draft pick and a bunch of cast-offs that other teams didn't care enough about to have them on their protected list. |
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