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Post by markofthebeast on Sept 10, 2007 9:44:58 GMT -4
3. If the 'Dogs had killed the 5, or better yet, scored a shorty, this play would have been talked about as a turning point, and everyone would be praising the kid for doing what needed to be done. At that point, when Pisano took the penalty for sticking up for a teammate, it's the job of the rest of the team to pick him up by killing it. I said around the same thing earlier needless to say i agree with you 100% as well especially the part about praising him if a goal was scored the other way. Looks like there are at least 4 of us on side. |
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Post by canucklehead on Sept 10, 2007 9:46:53 GMT -4
This division is so close every game is pivotal this year 2 points could very well be the difference and it was a pivotal point in the game too but I'm might point is that I would hope he learns that during the regular season if your team just battled back from 2 goal down you don't wanna be taking a 5 minute major. If we blow or chances at the playoffs by 2 points I think there is alot more to be worried about then a single 5 minute major penalty that cost us a game. There will be plenty worse then that this season.................quit flip flopping your views on fighters praising them when they show up but cutting them down when they take a penalty This is getting stupid! Just because I feel like it took the mojo from the team after they battled back and the score could have been settled later in the game I'm a flip flop well so be it call me what ya like I guess that's your opinion. It's a damn preseason game I just have an opinion right or wrong that's how I choose to view things. |
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Post by canucklehead on Sept 10, 2007 9:48:00 GMT -4
3. If the 'Dogs had killed the 5, or better yet, scored a shorty, this play would have been talked about as a turning point, and everyone would be praising the kid for doing what needed to be done. At that point, when Pisano took the penalty for sticking up for a teammate, it's the job of the rest of the team to pick him up by killing it. I said around the same thing earlier needless to say i agree with you 100% as well especially the part about praising him if a goal was scored the other way. Looks like there are at least 4 of us on side. Well sure absolutely anytime a team gets a shorty it pumps up the team I have no doubt about that at all. |
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Post by seahawk on Sept 10, 2007 11:00:22 GMT -4
If it was a dirty hit you would be right but it was a clean hit can you imagine if a scrap happened everytime someone threw a nice body check? Gimmie a break! I have no problem with someone fighting the guy later if he wants to drop the gloves and settle it that way but the way it went down was NOT textbook as you would like to call it after all he did get suspended leaving us with 5 Dmen yesterday and MacDonald is likely our 8th Dman and 2 of our best weren't there anyway. Never said it cost them the game either not sure where that came from but I'm pretty sure it wasn't from me. The other team has to know in the back of there head that just because it’s deemed clean by a ref doesn’t make it alright. This concept is especially important to teams like the Dog’s and the Devils since loosing a couple key members can mean the difference of the playoffs or an early off season. This play is Very textbook, so textbook in fact it happened many times last season at the highest level in hockey (NHL). One particular example of this was last season Colby Armstrong Leveled Koivu with a perfectly clean hit, Souray then proceeds to lay a beat down on Armstrong. Guy Carbineau was incensed at the ref's after the game about Souray getting 2 5 10 and a game (he felt 2 and a 5 was good enough.) That will give you an idea of how coaches view this sort of thing. You can also hear in the Vid how Pierre McGuire clearly states that it was a clean hit but understands what Souray done. Another example is when Tootoo hit Modano, clean hit then Robidas clearly skates at Tootoo with the intent of jumping him, too bad for him tho Tootoo is slightly crazy and one punched him with his glove still on. While the punch was dirty the hit was clean but again Robidas was coming to defend his teammate. I don't know if some of you have watched too much PeeWee or Girl's hockey. But when playing with men this is how the game is played unwritten rules with clearly defined consequences. I thought hockey was supposed to be a physical game? Why is it when players get smoked by clean hits (usually because they are looking down at the puck hen they should keep their heads up) the guy who delivers the big blow gets jumped? I have seen the Titan do this as well but IMO a clean hit is a clean hit and it is part of the game. I was at the game and JB didn't argue the call or look mad. He knew it was the proper call but I feel he liked what Pisani did, sticking up for a team-mate. I didn't see what happened in SJ but after a goon attacks a small skilled player you knew there was gonna be some retaliation back against a small skilled player (since the offending player wasn't dressed). |
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Post by markofthebeast on Sept 10, 2007 11:14:59 GMT -4
Big clean hits are a part of the game but so is fighting It's been stated before in this thread it's not because the hit was dirty it was because the other team needs to discourage big hits on there players as much as possible. Not as dramatic but it's like when a Forward stands in front of the Net the goalie he gives him a couple whacks, sure it's legal to stand there and sure it's illegal to slash but the fact is if you wanna play that part of the game you pay the price. I wouldn’t call it a goon job considering he went after a guy for a specific reason it’s not like he randomly decided to start a fight for no reason.
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Post by Porkchop on Sept 10, 2007 12:05:58 GMT -4
If it was a dirty hit you would be right but it was a clean hit can you imagine if a scrap happened everytime someone threw a nice body check? Gimmie a break! I have no problem with someone fighting the guy later if he wants to drop the gloves and settle it that way but the way it went down was NOT textbook as you would like to call it after all he did get suspended leaving us with 5 Dmen yesterday and MacDonald is likely our 8th Dman and 2 of our best weren't there anyway. Never said it cost them the game either not sure where that came from but I'm pretty sure it wasn't from me. Your not getting the point........it has more to do with Pisano letting the othet team know if they cross the line then there will be a price to pay for you actions much like what Legros has coming to him next game. Weather or not the hit was clean or is not important, Pisano took the first opportunity and made a statement and being Preseason it was the perfect time to do it. Pisano will not be this out of control during regular season unless a dirty play occurrs, but now the Titan players know whenever they play against Saint John they best stick to clean hockey. I'm not sure that you are getting the point..........there was NO Titan player that crossed the line....Desnoyers made a perfectly legal solid bodycheck.......Pisano was the guy who crossed the line, and got suspended for it........I would bet that somebody like Mailloux will be inviting Pisano next time they meet up to try and settle the score for his crossing the line........ |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Sept 10, 2007 12:08:36 GMT -4
Why do you do it even if the hit is clean? Because like markofthebeast said, to discourage it from happening again, especially to your top level players. Do you think it would matter if the hit was clean to Dave Semenko if someone leveled Gretzky? Cementhead would have jumped off the bench and pounded the guy if that's what it took.
And the only way you'll really seriously "get me going" Canucklehead, on this board anyway, is to make a post pleading for drinking to be banned at hockey games or something like that. I just use anything else as inspiration to be "verbally creative". It's a forum. People will argue and yell and scream and name call. It's all good.
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Post by Porkchop on Sept 10, 2007 12:09:06 GMT -4
If it was a dirty hit you would be right but it was a clean hit can you imagine if a scrap happened everytime someone threw a nice body check? Gimmie a break! I have no problem with someone fighting the guy later if he wants to drop the gloves and settle it that way but the way it went down was NOT textbook as you would like to call it after all he did get suspended leaving us with 5 Dmen yesterday and MacDonald is likely our 8th Dman and 2 of our best weren't there anyway. Never said it cost them the game either not sure where that came from but I'm pretty sure it wasn't from me. The other team has to know in the back of there head that just because it’s deemed clean by a ref doesn’t make it alright. This concept is especially important to teams like the Dog’s and the Devils since loosing a couple key members can mean the difference of the playoffs or an early off season. This play is Very textbook, so textbook in fact it happened many times last season at the highest level in hockey (NHL). One particular example of this was last season Colby Armstrong Leveled Koivu with a perfectly clean hit, Souray then proceeds to lay a beat down on Armstrong. Guy Carbineau was incensed at the ref's after the game about Souray getting 2 5 10 and a game (he felt 2 and a 5 was good enough.) That will give you an idea of how coaches view this sort of thing. You can also hear in the Vid how Pierre McGuire clearly states that it was a clean hit but understands what Souray done. Another example is when Tootoo hit Modano, clean hit then Robidas clearly skates at Tootoo with the intent of jumping him, too bad for him tho Tootoo is slightly crazy and one punched him with his glove still on. While the punch was dirty the hit was clean but again Robidas was coming to defend his teammate. I don't know if some of you have watched too much PeeWee or Girl's hockey. But when playing with men this is how the game is played unwritten rules with clearly defined consequences. If it were so "textbook" there wouldn't be any suspensions for it. |
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Post by Porkchop on Sept 10, 2007 12:10:59 GMT -4
Where were all the teammates sticking up for each other 5 minutes later in the game when Grenache absolutely leveled one of your guys.......a bigger hit than Desnoyers made, but no retaliation at all.......is Pisano the only guy that will stick up for his teammates?
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Post by markofthebeast on Sept 10, 2007 15:25:41 GMT -4
If it were so "textbook" there wouldn't be any suspensions for it. Yeah, there’s an automatic suspension for Language too. That’s why you never here the players curse  The Aggressor penalty is bull shit anyway it's intent is to protect pussys who run around doing as they wish but when it's time to pay the piper they turtle with there gloves on. It's much like the new puck over the glass rule or even the instigating rule for that matter, unnecessary and in a lot of time detrimental to the game. As I stated before it's textbook even if it is Illegal just like Goalies hacking the opposition’s ankles in front of the net is illegal but still textbook play and something tenders are taught from a young age. |
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Post by berner on Sept 10, 2007 17:57:34 GMT -4
For what it's worth Canucklehead, overall I agree with you rather than the vocal masses. A few points:
- As mentioned earlier, who saw the hit? Hard to talk about retaliation etc. without even seeing what transpired.
- Last I checked, the Dogs had no Wayne Gretzky in their lineup, nor a Dave Semenko.
- I agree with Seahawk 100% - it's foolish that when someone makes a good clean hit that he's prone to get jumped. Talk about playing with a bunch of wussies. Can't handle a clean hit? Next time keep your head up. Jumping him when he's on his way to the bench is pretty gutless. It's not the only way to respond to a big check being dished out to someone on your team.
Anyways, the point being I feel it shows a lack of discipline and a lack of a 'team first' attitude. I hope he picks his spots better in the reg season.
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Post by mrlittlewolf on Sept 10, 2007 19:32:10 GMT -4
Hey johnnyB dont you have a diaper to change or something?
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Sept 10, 2007 20:27:34 GMT -4
Christ Berner...no Gretzky and Semenko. No shit! You're not dumb. You know what I meant. Lets say we're playing...it doesn't matter. Dido is getting crushed everytime he touches the puck. Clean hits or no you wouldn't want Gallant to go pound the piss out of someone? You whine about get tough and take clean hits, which yes you do have to do, but you also got to expect if you play physical that someone is going to come after you.
It was exhibition...the timing was perfect for what Pisano did. Maybe it leads to Bathurst in the regular season thinking about rough stuff when we play them and we sneak out a win or two because of it? Nobody mentioned that, that I saw/remember.
As for effin up the team's mojo, it's exhibition. Getting line combos and systems and everyone in shape is most important....and the mojo was effed up the moment you assclowns posted us in first place and jinxed the team to doom. Maybe that's what made the big hit happen and Pisano snap. The jinx. It's all your fault not Pisano's!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Post by markofthebeast on Sept 10, 2007 20:34:41 GMT -4
Agreed it was the Jinx!!!  |
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Post by mrlittlewolf on Sept 10, 2007 21:52:44 GMT -4
Leask dont be so quiet........Say whats on your mind!!!!..............lol
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The Aggressor penalty is bull shit anyway it's intent is to protect pussys who run around doing as they wish but when it's time to pay the piper they turtle with there gloves on. It's much like the new puck over the glass rule or even the instigating rule for that matter, unnecessary and in a lot of time detrimental to the game. As I stated before it's textbook even if it is Illegal just like Goalies hacking the opposition’s ankles in front of the net is illegal but still textbook play and something tenders are taught from a young age.
