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Post by MikeC on Jun 5, 2010 13:07:19 GMT -4
I of course have no problem with this kid, I don't know him. Also I am not firmly for or against the NCAA BLUFF. But for any team taking him now would not be fair to the NCAA, the other Q teams, the Drakkar if they dont pick him. It has become a mess, and he should be pulled from the draft. Basically Matheson saids he wants to go NCAA......Baie Comeua could pick him he probably wont report. Kinda not fair to the Drakkar. Quoted from a Matthew Wuest article a Q team governor has threathed to fight any team but the Drakkar who picks Matheson "Many teams lobbied for stiffer punishments and would likely pressure Courteau to implement the new penalty if Matheson ends up with a QMJHL team that isn’t the Drakkar." Now thats not fair to any team besides the Drakkar. This is way out of hand, and too much bad press over one pick. I say the kid must go out of the draft. Not a big story right now, but what happens when the kid in this situation is a Crosby like player. The Q will look like a circus. I see your point and this whole circus could be ended if the league would just follow the OHL and WHL and have a bantam draft instead of midget. It isn't going to end the NCAA bluff but I gives team extra time to convince a player and his family. If they make players declare for the draft like the NCAA does with it's student atheletes you could see a lot of good talent opt out and then sign as a Free Agent to the team of their choice in any of the 3 leagues. The OHL does not have a Bantam draft. They just allow 15 year olds (94s this draft) to be drafted in all 15 rounds.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 5, 2010 13:10:45 GMT -4
I of course have no problem with this kid, I don't know him. Also I am not firmly for or against the NCAA BLUFF. But for any team taking him now would not be fair to the NCAA, the other Q teams, the Drakkar if they dont pick him. It has become a mess, and he should be pulled from the draft. Basically Matheson saids he wants to go NCAA......Baie Comeua could pick him he probably wont report. Kinda not fair to the Drakkar. Quoted from a Matthew Wuest article a Q team governor has threathed to fight any team but the Drakkar who picks Matheson "Many teams lobbied for stiffer punishments and would likely pressure Courteau to implement the new penalty if Matheson ends up with a QMJHL team that isn’t the Drakkar." Now thats not fair to any team besides the Drakkar. This is way out of hand, and too much bad press over one pick. I say the kid must go out of the draft. Not a big story right now, but what happens when the kid in this situation is a Crosby like player. The Q will look like a circus. I see your point and this whole circus could be ended if the league would just follow the OHL and WHL and have a bantam draft instead of midget. It isn't going to end the NCAA bluff but I gives team extra time to convince a player and his family. If they make players declare for the draft like the NCAA does with it's student atheletes you could see a lot of good talent opt out and then sign as a Free Agent to the team of their choice in any of the 3 leagues. The OHL is 5 times worse than the Q when it comes to big markets getting "NCAA" players. London got guys like Kane gagner MacRae etc and Windsor guys like Fowler Campbell etc
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Post by Gman on Jun 7, 2010 8:44:43 GMT -4
Just to revisit this for a second, I was reading Chris Cochrane's article in the Herald this morning, and got to thinking. When was it ACCEPTABLE to take a gamble on Matheson? Shawinigan did it at #27. Did they have a side deal, or they just took a big gamble? What if he ends up showing up there? Was there an arrangement? Or just because Shawinigan has not been involved in things like this in the past, they won't be looked at? What if another team had taken him later in the first round? How can the league determine whether that team had pre-arranged something with Matheson, or simply tried their luck?
I agree that the way it was going was flawed, but I don't think this was much better. A top player is now probably not going to be playing in the league. Maybe his decision to go NCAA was perfectly legit. Maybe not. Unless he reports to Shawinigan, or they trade his rights to someone and then he reports, we will never know.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 7, 2010 9:01:26 GMT -4
I of course have no problem with this kid, I don't know him. Also I am not firmly for or against the NCAA BLUFF. But for any team taking him now would not be fair to the NCAA, the other Q teams, the Drakkar if they dont pick him. It has become a mess, and he should be pulled from the draft. Basically Matheson saids he wants to go NCAA......Baie Comeua could pick him he probably wont report. Kinda not fair to the Drakkar. Quoted from a Matthew Wuest article a Q team governor has threathed to fight any team but the Drakkar who picks Matheson "Many teams lobbied for stiffer punishments and would likely pressure Courteau to implement the new penalty if Matheson ends up with a QMJHL team that isn’t the Drakkar." Now thats not fair to any team besides the Drakkar. This is way out of hand, and too much bad press over one pick. I say the kid must go out of the draft. Not a big story right now, but what happens when the kid in this situation is a Crosby like player. The Q will look like a circus. Are you going to be the guy booing Ashley during player introductions next year?
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Post by fireball on Jun 7, 2010 9:22:49 GMT -4
This is still a free society here in Canada. These kids should be able to go where they want and decide to go, they can change their minds also. What is the problem ? Is it jealousy or I know some people have to have a comment on something that is none of their business.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 9:55:01 GMT -4
Cochrane keeps bringing this topic up year after year saying it casts a black eye on the Q while he ignores or is just plain oblivious with regards to the OHL where the Hunter brothers keep getting top-end Americans in London and now Boughner and Rychel are doing it in Windsor.
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Post by crash on Jun 7, 2010 9:58:59 GMT -4
Just to revisit this for a second, I was reading Chris Cochrane's article in the Herald this morning, and got to thinking. When was it ACCEPTABLE to take a gamble on Matheson? Shawinigan did it at #27. Did they have a side deal, or they just took a big gamble? What if he ends up showing up there? Was there an arrangement? Or just because Shawinigan has not been involved in things like this in the past, they won't be looked at? What if another team had taken him later in the first round? How can the league determine whether that team had pre-arranged something with Matheson, or simply tried their luck? I agree that the way it was going was flawed, but I don't think this was much better. A top player is now probably not going to be playing in the league. Maybe his decision to go NCAA was perfectly legit. Maybe not. Unless he reports to Shawinigan, or they trade his rights to someone and then he reports, we will never know. What got me in Cochrane's column was the quote from Coutreau when Halifax didn't take Matheson. " "We had our answer right there," Courteau said about whether the new system could work." So is it only the team picking second that will be under scrutiny or maybe it is the "English" teams or maybe just Halifax? What if Chicoutimi had picked him? Would Coutreau still be pleased the system worked? What if Shawinigin had not traded up and Halifax took him 28th? Would the system have worked then? Is it only to cover the first round after everyone has had an opportunity to pick him? Lots of unanswered questions from my perspective.
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Post by Gman on Jun 7, 2010 10:05:06 GMT -4
Just to revisit this for a second, I was reading Chris Cochrane's article in the Herald this morning, and got to thinking. When was it ACCEPTABLE to take a gamble on Matheson? Shawinigan did it at #27. Did they have a side deal, or they just took a big gamble? What if he ends up showing up there? Was there an arrangement? Or just because Shawinigan has not been involved in things like this in the past, they won't be looked at? What if another team had taken him later in the first round? How can the league determine whether that team had pre-arranged something with Matheson, or simply tried their luck? I agree that the way it was going was flawed, but I don't think this was much better. A top player is now probably not going to be playing in the league. Maybe his decision to go NCAA was perfectly legit. Maybe not. Unless he reports to Shawinigan, or they trade his rights to someone and then he reports, we will never know. What got me in Cochrane's column was the quote from Coutreau when Halifax didn't take Matheson. " "We had our answer right there," Courteau said about whether the new system could work." So is it only the team picking second that will be under scrutiny or maybe it is the "English" teams or maybe just Halifax? What if Chicoutimi had picked him? Would Coutreau still be pleased the system worked? What if Shawinigin had not traded up and Halifax took him 28th? Would the system have worked then? Is it only to cover the first round after everyone has had an opportunity to pick him? Lots of unanswered questions from my perspective. Exactly. what are the limits? If Halifax picks him 28th, and he shows up, did they still manipulate the draft? Did they have a side deal? Are they even looked at by the league, or left alone? Shawinigan picked him, and no one batted an eye. I have a feeling only certain teams were being watched... Halifax, Moncton, Saint John, Quebec, maybe Montreal to a lesser extent. How is that fair?
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Post by justmy02 on Jun 7, 2010 10:24:02 GMT -4
What got me in Cochrane's column was the quote from Coutreau when Halifax didn't take Matheson. " "We had our answer right there," Courteau said about whether the new system could work." So is it only the team picking second that will be under scrutiny or maybe it is the "English" teams or maybe just Halifax? What if Chicoutimi had picked him? Would Coutreau still be pleased the system worked? What if Shawinigin had not traded up and Halifax took him 28th? Would the system have worked then? Is it only to cover the first round after everyone has had an opportunity to pick him? Lots of unanswered questions from my perspective. Exactly. what are the limits? If Halifax picks him 28th, and he shows up, did they still manipulate the draft? Did they have a side deal? Are they even looked at by the league, or left alone? Shawinigan picked him, and no one batted an eye. I have a feeling only certain teams were being watched... Halifax, Moncton, Saint John, Quebec, maybe Montreal to a lesser extent. How is that fair? not fair at all but not surprising.
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Post by MikeC on Jun 7, 2010 10:32:08 GMT -4
I of course have no problem with this kid, I don't know him. Also I am not firmly for or against the NCAA BLUFF. But for any team taking him now would not be fair to the NCAA, the other Q teams, the Drakkar if they dont pick him. It has become a mess, and he should be pulled from the draft. Basically Matheson saids he wants to go NCAA......Baie Comeua could pick him he probably wont report. Kinda not fair to the Drakkar. Quoted from a Matthew Wuest article a Q team governor has threathed to fight any team but the Drakkar who picks Matheson "Many teams lobbied for stiffer punishments and would likely pressure Courteau to implement the new penalty if Matheson ends up with a QMJHL team that isn’t the Drakkar." Now thats not fair to any team besides the Drakkar. This is way out of hand, and too much bad press over one pick. I say the kid must go out of the draft. Not a big story right now, but what happens when the kid in this situation is a Crosby like player. The Q will look like a circus. Are you going to be the guy booing Ashley during player introductions next year? Ashley could have been drafted 114 times before Halifax took him this year (90 picks in the 1st 5 rounds last year and the 1st 24 picks this year). Nobody should be complaining about him.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 7, 2010 11:15:22 GMT -4
Are you going to be the guy booing Ashley during player introductions next year? Ashley could have been drafted 114 times before Halifax took him this year (90 picks in the 1st 5 rounds last year and the 1st 24 picks this year). Nobody should be complaining about him. His situation is no different than Matheson if he shows up. The poster I replied to was up in arms that kids would possibly talk NCAA then report to a Q team, well Ashley has been talking NCAA for a year and a half. Why should he be looked at any different than Matheson?
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Post by MikeC on Jun 7, 2010 11:29:56 GMT -4
Ashley could have been drafted 114 times before Halifax took him this year (90 picks in the 1st 5 rounds last year and the 1st 24 picks this year). Nobody should be complaining about him. His situation is no different than Matheson if he shows up. The poster I replied to was up in arms that kids would possibly talk NCAA then report to a Q team, well Ashley has been talking NCAA for a year and a half. Why should he be looked at any different than Matheson? He wasn't drafted until the 2nd round of his 2nd draft. The problem is players picking which team drafts them. Ashley clearly didn't do that, seeing as he didn't get drafted at all last year. That's why it's different.
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Post by defresh101 on Jun 7, 2010 12:28:41 GMT -4
Are you going to be the guy booing Ashley during player introductions next year? Ashley could have been drafted 114 times before Halifax took him this year (90 picks in the 1st 5 rounds last year and the 1st 24 picks this year). Nobody should be complaining about him. Guess that comment was for me and Know I will not be booing ashley. You cannot take every incident and compare it. Does not work that way in hockey. The matheson thing is totally different he was ranked 1st overall more implications come with that. But I will be booing Shawigan and the league if Matheson plays for them.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 7, 2010 12:40:33 GMT -4
Ashley could have been drafted 114 times before Halifax took him this year (90 picks in the 1st 5 rounds last year and the 1st 24 picks this year). Nobody should be complaining about him. Guess that comment was for me and Know I will not be booing ashley. You cannot take every incident and compare it. Does not work that way in hockey. The matheson thing is totally different he was ranked 1st overall more implications come with that. But I will be booing Shawigan and the league if Matheson plays for them. If Matheson plays for them ... does it tell you that they had a deal already in place with Sahwinigan ... or does it tell you they made him an offer after the draft that changed his mind ? Do you feel it is ok for a person to change their mind when new information is suddenly presented to them ? If you boo Matheson ... you are a child.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 7, 2010 12:49:58 GMT -4
I of course have no problem with this kid, I don't know him. Also I am not firmly for or against the NCAA BLUFF. But for any team taking him now would not be fair to the NCAA, the other Q teams, the Drakkar if they dont pick him. It has become a mess, and he should be pulled from the draft. Basically Matheson saids he wants to go NCAA......Baie Comeua could pick him he probably wont report. Kinda not fair to the Drakkar. Quoted from a Matthew Wuest article a Q team governor has threathed to fight any team but the Drakkar who picks Matheson "Many teams lobbied for stiffer punishments and would likely pressure Courteau to implement the new penalty if Matheson ends up with a QMJHL team that isn’t the Drakkar." Now thats not fair to any team besides the Drakkar. This is way out of hand, and too much bad press over one pick. I say the kid must go out of the draft. Not a big story right now, but what happens when the kid in this situation is a Crosby like player. The Q will look like a circus. Are you going to be the guy booing Ashley during player introductions next year? Yep I love how a 15yo does it and the "honorable" thing is to not pick him but Darcy Ashley was fair game. Things never changed at all that I can see.
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