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Post by hal on Nov 23, 2014 16:42:43 GMT -4
Heard from a reliable source that Darcy in his wildest dreams did not expect to be back in junior and he is very disappointed in that. That being said, he is not doing himself or the team any favours by playing the way he is. He has to come to the realization that nobody is going to give him a pro contract,he is going to have to earn it. I'm sure Tampa is watching his progress(or lack thereof). Yep...heard that also from someone who is in the know . It is not a Cape Breton thing , it is a Junior thing . Maybe a "beating" might remind him of just how lucky he was to have Tampa draft him after a real good season here .
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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 23, 2014 17:34:50 GMT -4
I looked at the trade again and it does hurt a bit Quebec flipped the 3rd we sent for F Brassard for E Brassard without even using the extra 5th. However , I think the asking price in CB's case would have been more (marginally ) than a 3rd considering PEI and CB are in the same division. The other thing I want to mention after looking deeper into this is that their stats are comparable. There is nothing special about Eric Brassards stats at all. You can look at his wins but he is playing for a power house. For sure right now Quebec is a better team but I would not go so far as powerhouse. They have been offensive minded but that does not always equal easy for a goalie. With a better goalie(CB) the gap between CB and Quecec is closer. In any case options would be better with a 19.
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Post by seagle on Nov 23, 2014 18:51:14 GMT -4
With all due respect, you state what I say screams dumb, after a few statements back you'd be willing to trade Darcy for what? So you toss out one of your top players for a 5th round or so. Dumont traded a 3rd and a 5th for Brassard. Well hindsight is nice, but he probably looked like a legitimate solution for Dumont at the time. I personally would have traded Darcy and Hache last year. Then at worst, we probably would have been looking at two solid 19's, maybe even a goalie, playing this year. Without the gamble on who was coming back. I also didn't say that all teams had at least one core 19 or 20 dman. I said that the teams with young dmen generally have at least one solid core 19 or 20 year old dman. I'm not so sure that Guindon is going to be the answer by himself, and I can't see that he alone would be worth Drummondville's 1st round pick, and I would assume that if Drummondville is looking to entertain any trades they would want their 1st round back. The only other options I can see would be Fucale, Booth, and Mcdonald. Will Fucale be back next year? I doubt they can get Booth out of Quebec with regard to educational reasons, and I highly doubt Charlottetown will trade McDonald. I did not say trade Darcy, I simply responded to someone who wanted to trade them and another who asked what they would bring back. As far as Brassard goes, did you know Quebec traded him to CB and then got the 19 yr old Brassard. CB has missed out on younger ones to take on a 20yr old one when everyone keeps saying they need one to fit next year. IMO Poor planning to say the least. My assumption on this would be that when Dumont inquired about PEI's Brassard he would have been told are you $%#$#$^# kidding. There is no way you are getting a 19 year old goalie from us ........unless you are offering what you offered for Cadorette. I do believe Dumont had the 19 vs 20 thing figured out and at a minimum offered the same 3rd and 5th as was offered to Quebec
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Post by seagle on Nov 23, 2014 18:57:33 GMT -4
Heard from a reliable source that Darcy in his wildest dreams did not expect to be back in junior and he is very disappointed in that. That being said, he is not doing himself or the team any favours by playing the way he is. He has to come to the realization that nobody is going to give him a pro contract,he is going to have to earn it. I'm sure Tampa is watching his progress(or lack thereof). Yep...heard that also from someone who is in the know . It is not a Cape Breton thing , it is a Junior thing . Maybe a "beating" might remind him of just how lucky he was to have Tampa draft him after a real good season here . Imagine the disappointment that this young man very recently went through. I am giving him time to recover from this kick in the nuts. Especially considering how much I enjoyed watching him play last year and what he meant to this team. At this point I do not see a change in scenery benefiting him or us
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Post by seagle on Nov 23, 2014 19:08:47 GMT -4
First of all let me say that I too am disappointed that the Eagles are not playing as well as hoped. That said, are things really as bad as some seem to think? We have a talented group of 16, 17, and 18 year old players. Lots of potential at all positions, ( except goaltender). We have some nice talent in midget and we have a pile of draft picks. We have a great base of players to grow with. What we are missing are quality 19 and 20 year old players, only Farrell is doing anything for us from that group, and a goaltender. Darcy was great for us last year but he must not of had any intention or expectation of coming back to Cape Breton as he can't seem to get it together. If we had a stronger group of 19 & 20 year olds we would be much better. So I wouldn't be too quick to call for major changes to our core. I wouldn't be giving up on our young players. We need to make some adjustments, add quality 19 if we can but don't sell the farm in panic conditions. That misery will last much longer then this season. As we have seen from the past. Well said and thanks. Dumont's moves raised everyone's expectations.Svetchnikov arriving, Darcey returning everything was falling into place. How could this go wrong? The goaltending issue aside, I would prefer to build from the net out. Our present D can realistically be with us for two more years. If we had contending expectations this year how high should they be when they are in their prime of their Jr careers.
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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 23, 2014 19:18:29 GMT -4
I did not say trade Darcy, I simply responded to someone who wanted to trade them and another who asked what they would bring back. As far as Brassard goes, did you know Quebec traded him to CB and then got the 19 yr old Brassard. CB has missed out on younger ones to take on a 20yr old one when everyone keeps saying they need one to fit next year. IMO Poor planning to say the least. My assumption on this would be that when Dumont inquired about PEI's Brassard he would have been told are you $%#$#$^# kidding. There is no way you are not getting a 19 year old goalie from us ........unless you are offering what you offered for Cadortte. I do believe Dumont had the 19 vs 20 thing figured out and at a minimum offered the same 3rd and 5th as was offered to Quebec Laughable assumption. Even if they knew BC offer(not likely) why would PEI expect the same as a top end goalie. Its not the age that dictates the price. Quebec played the game better and won the trade.
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Post by seagle on Nov 23, 2014 19:21:18 GMT -4
To simplify...... PEI was not trading to us to fill our greatest need
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Post by bowne1987 on Nov 23, 2014 20:16:16 GMT -4
Since we traded legare the chemistry is gone with the team we don't have a set 1 23rd line witch is also messed up I'm Darcy had to shit or get off the pot he is back in junior and this is the team that got him drafted if he don't wanna be here get rid of him it's better to have someone who wants to be here then an all star who doesn't I think Dumont should shake things up and trade bell or Lalonde for a 19 year old point producer and go trade some picks for a 1 leadership defenceman and a another solid 18 year old stay at home defenceman with wheels are defence look slow and get out of position I don't think bishop is ready for the c ither as when we get scored on and go down by 1 or 2 goals the team gives up like the game is over and I know that's connected to the goaltending I think they should bring up levellee and let him play some games before the trade period. Picks are only good to have on paper they don't always produce on the ice so let's start building a team here
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Post by seagle on Nov 23, 2014 20:21:31 GMT -4
Are we providing reasons or excuses for the Eagles woeful results. As far as the line juggling goes, this is a Dumont specialty, he does it all the time whether he has a full lineup or not.As far as injuries go, every team has them. Baie-Comeau has played all year so far without their best forward, Jeremy Gregoire, Quebec lost Anthony Duclair, probably one of the best forwards in the league and their high end Euro did not report and up until just recently Rimouski has played with only 2 20 year olds.Take a look at where these teams are in the standings compared to where we are.Also we have bben hearing quite often that our defence is young? Compare our defence to that of Rimouski, we have 7 dmen who are 96 or 97 born, they have 6? Sounds like we are making excuses for our teams poor showing. IMO, our problems center around the coaching and the goaltending. If comparing I think it is fair to mention they also have 2 19 year old D men who are NHL drafted one in the 1st rd. I am thinking it is their top pairing
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Post by seagle on Nov 23, 2014 20:25:02 GMT -4
Since we traded legare the chemistry is gone with the team we don't have a set 1 23rd line witch is also messed up I'm Darcy had to shit or get off the pot he is back in junior and this is the team that got him drafted if he don't wanna be here get rid of him it's better to have someone who wants to be here then an all star who doesn't I think Dumont should shake things up and trade bell or Lalonde for a 19 year old point producer and go trade some picks for a 1 leadership defenceman and a another solid 18 year old stay at home defenceman with wheels are defence look slow and get out of position I don't think bishop is ready for the c ither as when we get scored on and go down by 1 or 2 goals the team gives up like the game is over and I know that's connected to the goaltending I think they should bring up levellee and let him play some games before the trade period. Picks are only good to have on paper they don't always produce on the ice so let's start building a team here He got himself drafted
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Post by eaglefan62 on Nov 23, 2014 20:29:47 GMT -4
When you look at the big picture as far as Darcy is concerned,he was picked 185th overall(7th round). It appears that he th ought his junior career was over,he didn't attend training camp and now he is pissed because he did not get a contract and was sent back to junior. Get over it he's not the only one toget drafted and get sent back to junior, many first rounders get sent back eve after they get a conract (Drouin comes to mind). I think this guys attitude will determine his future, not his abilities.Right now, he isn't handling a bit of adversity very well. Your mental attitude and mental toughness are a big part of being an athlete.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 24, 2014 8:38:29 GMT -4
Heard from a reliable source that Darcy in his wildest dreams did not expect to be back in junior and he is very disappointed in that. That being said, he is not doing himself or the team any favours by playing the way he is. He has to come to the realization that nobody is going to give him a pro contract,he is going to have to earn it. I'm sure Tampa is watching his progress(or lack thereof). Stuff like that is pretty common for guys sent back to junior expecting to play pro.most guys get it going after 4-6 weeks...it doesn't help that the team is not winning.
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Post by bowne1987 on Nov 24, 2014 14:46:51 GMT -4
Since we traded legare the chemistry is gone with the team we don't have a set 1 23rd line witch is also messed up I'm Darcy had to shit or get off the pot he is back in junior and this is the team that got him drafted if he don't wanna be here get rid of him it's better to have someone who wants to be here then an all star who doesn't I think Dumont should shake things up and trade bell or Lalonde for a 19 year old point producer and go trade some picks for a 1 leadership defenceman and a another solid 18 year old stay at home defenceman with wheels are defence look slow and get out of position I don't think bishop is ready for the c ither as when we get scored on and go down by 1 or 2 goals the team gives up like the game is over and I know that's connected to the goaltending I think they should bring up levellee and let him play some games before the trade period. Picks are only good to have on paper they don't always produce on the ice so let's start building a team here He got himself drafted So you think he would got drafted if he didn't come to Cape Breton sealed?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 24, 2014 14:58:08 GMT -4
So you think he would got drafted if he didn't come to Cape Breton sealed? Of course not but it was his play here that got him drafted. It wasn't just showing up here. He had to perform at an elite level just to get a 7th round look. Expecting that to translate to an instant pro opportunity was a poor expectation allowed to set in by the people handling him. He should have an agent preparing him for all scenarios, including the very likely trip back to the Q as an overager which is not at all out of place for someone drafted after their 19yo season. Not sure why he and his people allowed that sense of entitlement to set in. It'd be a red flag if i'm running Tampa Bay. How does he act next year if I give him a contract and he still can't play AHL?
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Post by bois on Nov 24, 2014 15:49:47 GMT -4
So you think he would got drafted if he didn't come to Cape Breton sealed? Of course not but it was his play here that got him drafted. It wasn't just showing up here. He had to perform at an elite level just to get a 7th round look. Expecting that to translate to an instant pro opportunity was a poor expectation allowed to set in by the people handling him. He should have an agent preparing him for all scenarios, including the very likely trip back to the Q as an overager which is not at all out of place for someone drafted after their 19yo season. Not sure why he and his people allowed that sense of entitlement to set in. It'd be a red flag if i'm running Tampa Bay. How does he act next year if I give him a contract and he still can't play AHL? as a 7th round pick.... it's very likely he never signs with them at all
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