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Post by jimmy on Oct 17, 2024 9:19:45 GMT -4
Yea its should all be conisdered i think they should try where 4 previous teams didnt fail. I just think if they move them to newfoundland theres a lot of risk. 1 Q team failed. AHL and ECHL got more support there then they would have in Sydney, Moncton, or Saint John in my opinion. AHL and ECHL were never meant to be long term solutions because the players salaries combined with playing teams in the southern US made it impossible. Junior hockey is the only thing that can work there and it was given an extremely short opportunity with 100% chance of failure due to how it even got off the ground and everyone 100% knew it and discussed it at the time. There's no opportunity without some level of risk. The reality in St. John's is that if you keep the policitians away and give the fans a good product you will be profitable even with the travel costs. No market in Canada can be successful if given a 3 year time period with no chance to ever build anything while local politicians fight over your lease and essentially be bitter over not being the team owner. You can harp on "4 previous teams" but in every single Q market in the Maritimes except for Bathurst were previous pro "failures". Imagine not going back to Halifax or Moncton because of a past failure in the market. It'd be as insane as never trying St. John's a 2nd time after cutting the team off at the knees financially before they even made an expansion selection ahead of year 1 20 years ago. I am with you on this ... Is St. John's a perfect option? No, or they would have had a team in place for 20 years by now. Is it the best option of a bad bunch? At this point, probably ... the other options being other small markets with limited upside, or contraction. They may well be the only market with ownership lined up interested in buying a team ... |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 17, 2024 9:26:30 GMT -4
1 Q team failed. AHL and ECHL got more support there then they would have in Sydney, Moncton, or Saint John in my opinion. AHL and ECHL were never meant to be long term solutions because the players salaries combined with playing teams in the southern US made it impossible. Junior hockey is the only thing that can work there and it was given an extremely short opportunity with 100% chance of failure due to how it even got off the ground and everyone 100% knew it and discussed it at the time. There's no opportunity without some level of risk. The reality in St. John's is that if you keep the policitians away and give the fans a good product you will be profitable even with the travel costs. No market in Canada can be successful if given a 3 year time period with no chance to ever build anything while local politicians fight over your lease and essentially be bitter over not being the team owner. You can harp on "4 previous teams" but in every single Q market in the Maritimes except for Bathurst were previous pro "failures". Imagine not going back to Halifax or Moncton because of a past failure in the market. It'd be as insane as never trying St. John's a 2nd time after cutting the team off at the knees financially before they even made an expansion selection ahead of year 1 20 years ago. I am with you on this ... Is St. John's a perfect option? No, or they would have had a team in place for 20 years by now. Is it the best option of a bad bunch? At this point, probably ... the other options being other small markets with limited upside, or contraction. They may well be the only market with ownership lined up interested in buying a team ... Yeah if the argument is risk there's no more risk in St. John's vs any other market east of Ottawa. But there's not near as much upside in any other market as there is in making something work in St. John's. That is the ultimate key here being ignored. There's 2 major things this could do to the Q. A) It could produce a "have" team that can bring in talent to the league vs being a team that players don't want to go to. B) It could be just the start of a boom in Newfoundland that long term sees maybe even 2 teams setup there if you try to think even a little outside the box. Much smaller odds of this but in 10-15-20 years if St. John's has success maybe some government money can make a Cornerbrook into a QMJHL ready arena and your flights to Newfoundland become a 3-4 game road trip. Nowhere else in Quebec or the Maritimes is there that type of potential. I mean how many Jr. A rinks are people going to keep suggesting as it becomes even more unrealistic with every months inflation numbers? |
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Post by scotiahockey on Oct 17, 2024 12:56:33 GMT -4
I am with you on this ... Is St. John's a perfect option? No, or they would have had a team in place for 20 years by now. Is it the best option of a bad bunch? At this point, probably ... the other options being other small markets with limited upside, or contraction. They may well be the only market with ownership lined up interested in buying a team ... Yeah if the argument is risk there's no more risk in St. John's vs any other market east of Ottawa. But there's not near as much upside in any other market as there is in making something work in St. John's. That is the ultimate key here being ignored. There's 2 major things this could do to the Q. A) It could produce a "have" team that can bring in talent to the league vs being a team that players don't want to go to. B) It could be just the start of a boom in Newfoundland that long term sees maybe even 2 teams setup there if you try to think even a little outside the box. Much smaller odds of this but in 10-15-20 years if St. John's has success maybe some government money can make a Cornerbrook into a QMJHL ready arena and your flights to Newfoundland become a 3-4 game road trip. Nowhere else in Quebec or the Maritimes is there that type of potential. I mean how many Jr. A rinks are people going to keep suggesting as it becomes even more unrealistic with every months inflation numbers? The upside is the key here, where else is there potential for it to be this big of a success? I know it’s not Edmundston or any other “good” Jr. A market that people want to suggest. Maybe it’ll fail in Newfoundland but we also know that Bathurst doesn’t work, so you can keep holding on, trying to make something work that isn’t going to work or you can go somewhere with a lot bigger upside, that’s got no other show in town and hope that you hit on something. There isn’t a lot of markets left to try that are viable or realistic IMO and Newfoundland is the best/most realistic option for success. The reality of it probably is that 18 teams is too many for the region and it should be reduced but you can’t do that without exploring all the potential good markets. |
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Post by mikeb on Oct 23, 2024 15:54:58 GMT -4
1 Q team failed. AHL and ECHL got more support there then they would have in Sydney, Moncton, or Saint John in my opinion. AHL and ECHL were never meant to be long term solutions because the players salaries combined with playing teams in the southern US made it impossible. Junior hockey is the only thing that can work there and it was given an extremely short opportunity with 100% chance of failure due to how it even got off the ground and everyone 100% knew it and discussed it at the time. There's no opportunity without some level of risk. The reality in St. John's is that if you keep the policitians away and give the fans a good product you will be profitable even with the travel costs. No market in Canada can be successful if given a 3 year time period with no chance to ever build anything while local politicians fight over your lease and essentially be bitter over not being the team owner. You can harp on "4 previous teams" but in every single Q market in the Maritimes except for Bathurst were previous pro "failures". Imagine not going back to Halifax or Moncton because of a past failure in the market. It'd be as insane as never trying St. John's a 2nd time after cutting the team off at the knees financially before they even made an expansion selection ahead of year 1 20 years ago. I am with you on this ... Is St. John's a perfect option? No, or they would have had a team in place for 20 years by now. Is it the best option of a bad bunch? At this point, probably ... the other options being other small markets with limited upside, or contraction. They may well be the only market with ownership lined up interested in buying a team ... Look at how many small cities tried and failed in Quebec. Going small is a shaky proposition. Then there was the Lewiston experiment. There’s no decent sized American cities close enough to the border. Saint John’s is one of the few best options available AND they’re the only one that has shown an interest. I’m agreeing with you btw. |
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Post by JEagle on Oct 29, 2024 11:20:37 GMT -4
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Post by jordo999 on Oct 29, 2024 16:17:05 GMT -4
my french is a little rusty if someone can confirm but does this state there's nothing confirmed regarding moving to St. John's but Titan could be moved still essentially? |
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Post by JEagle on Oct 29, 2024 16:22:24 GMT -4
my french is a little rusty if someone can confirm but does this state there's nothing confirmed regarding moving to St. John's but Titan could be moved still essentially? The google translation is "I mentioned it a few weeks ago and the noise is getting louder and louder towards a move to Newfoundland. NO it's not official but it looks like the Titan, despite a superb start to the season, is living on borrowed time in Bathurst. #LHJMQ" |
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Post by jordo999 on Oct 29, 2024 16:47:38 GMT -4
my french is a little rusty if someone can confirm but does this state there's nothing confirmed regarding moving to St. John's but Titan could be moved still essentially? The google translation is "I mentioned it a few weeks ago and the noise is getting louder and louder towards a move to Newfoundland. NO it's not official but it looks like the Titan, despite a superb start to the season, is living on borrowed time in Bathurst. #LHJMQ" makes sense...writing is kind of on the wall unfortunately, as much as it pains me to say it. IF they do move I hope they at least have 2-3 more years left and we can see one final run at a championship. But that's wishful thinking as new owners would likely not want a rebuild out of the gate. |
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Post by mikeb on Oct 29, 2024 18:26:41 GMT -4
The google translation is "I mentioned it a few weeks ago and the noise is getting louder and louder towards a move to Newfoundland. NO it's not official but it looks like the Titan, despite a superb start to the season, is living on borrowed time in Bathurst. #LHJMQ" makes sense...writing is kind of on the wall unfortunately, as much as it pains me to say it. IF they do move I hope they at least have 2-3 more years left and we can see one final run at a championship. But that's wishful thinking as new owners would likely not want a rebuild out of the gate. Agree. I think the new owners will want a winner out of the gates. The Titan start in Bathurst shows what a big start can do for the next few years. Attendance wise even the bad year following year one was great attendance. |
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Post by midgetfan on Nov 26, 2024 15:20:54 GMT -4
Marek talks Bathurst/St. John's on the new episode of Spittin' Chiclets. Last 15 mins
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Post by jordo999 on Nov 26, 2024 17:24:07 GMT -4
Marek talks Bathurst/St. John's on the new episode of Spittin' Chiclets. Last 15 mins 3 hour 38 minute mark is about when it starts |
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Post by jordo999 on Nov 26, 2024 17:25:10 GMT -4
based on that video, it seems the rumor is picking up more and more...likely hear more in December
the fact Titan may pick 1 and 2 in the next Q draft and we won't even get to experience it hurts me deeply lol...but it is what it is
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Post by jordo999 on Nov 26, 2024 17:26:58 GMT -4
Jeff also mentions the Titan are likely to target NFLD born players over the trade deadline.
the only thing about this is there's very minimal currently in the league, unless he means adding free agents.
Calen Blake is one for Halifax, but not sure why they'd really trade him.
Riley Mercer is not going anywhere, Matteo Rotondi could be a guy they could add at the draft as an OA but can't see Drummondville moving him now.
Matthew Butler is one that could make sense out of Charlottetown actually, same with Kearsey. Hickey is likely untouchable, he's their starter of the future.
Chafe is another maybe out of Baie-Comeau? Could be an OA next year but isn't all that great to be an OA imo. Elliot wright and Jabez Seymour could make a lot of sense. Especially considering Seymour is an 07.
but that's all across the league currently.
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Post by midgetfan on Nov 26, 2024 17:32:59 GMT -4
Jeff also mentions the Titan are likely to target NFLD born players over the trade deadline. There really aren’t many in the league to target. Certainly not impact players. Matthew Butler is good. They already have Ty Peddigrew. Baie Comeau have drafted quite a few lately oddly. |
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Post by jordo999 on Nov 26, 2024 17:35:50 GMT -4
Jeff also mentions the Titan are likely to target NFLD born players over the trade deadline. There really aren’t many in the league to target. Certainly not impact players. Matthew Butler is good. They already have Ty Peddigrew. Baie Comeau have drafted quite a few lately oddly. yup just updated my post with every NL born player across the league, so we should keep an eye on them over the trade period. |
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