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Post by jordo999 on Nov 29, 2024 11:02:37 GMT -4
yup pretty much, Chicoutimi, BC, Moncton, Rimouski, maybe CB will all get better in the division, not to mention Drummondville, Rouyn, and Shawinigan likely get better in the other. Sell high on your valuable guys (Perron and/or Clements), get guys that fit the cycle (17s), and go from there. We have a chance to draft 2 elite 16 year olds this summer, I'm not moving those picks. This team could very well end up being a Moncton type of the future when our 17 YO core is 19 and then we have 2 guys similar to Desnoyers to move to rebuild after contending. This team if built and developed properly could also be competitive 2 years in a row. making the 2nd round is likely the best thing this team could achieve this year with a big maybe on making the 3rd but it's doubtful. No need to overspend in hopes to try and leapfrog 4-5 teams when in order to do so would cost pretty much everything we have. It also doesn't work that way based on current circumstances. You're not going to be in 5th and overspend to make up the difference unless you have certain types of players already in place. There's no Noah Dobson's on your roster to build around. And you can't overspend to acquire them because there's none to acquire. They're unicorns who come around once every few cycles and you win with them or cash out big but chances of small markets acquiring them at mid-season are almost 0. You could buy huge and making the 2nd round be no more likely...because the 4 ahead of you will also buy huge and you'll be starting on the road against a contender and I don't think we need to get into how that starts to slant against you in this league. yup exactly, you pretty much nailed it. Some people see this Titan team and think because they're the best defensive team on paper or have the best penalty kill that we should be buying a bunch of guys up front to boost the offense. But the defensive side of things is only sustainable for so long especially when your starting goalie is facing 30+ shots a game and has to stand on his head to only allow 1-2 goals, he's going to get exposed more as time goes on, and this D core in general isn't elite by any means. I want them to improve their offense as well but not at the price it will actually cost to do so because we arguably need like 3 guys. And that's the thing like you mentioned the other 4 ahead of us will just get even better so our potential additions would still be outclassed by theirs and then we're facing the same problem we currently are. Gordie just needs to make the smart moves and hope to remain competitive but our expectations shouldn't be all that high this year, as much as some fans want it. |
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Post by jordo999 on Nov 29, 2024 11:06:16 GMT -4
I think a sneaky candidate to be moved though could be Pilgrim-Edwards, 14 points in 23 games, and can play a good defensive role and works hard. I think he'd be a great pickup for some contenders bottom 6. I think something like a 2nd + 4th could make sense for him. Lallier, Coulombe, St-Onge, MacGillivray, all likely have less value than him so they likely keep them unless they just do some generic shuffling. Lallier was likely a candidate to be moved for more but he's struggled as of late and no one is going to pay that high for a guy with 1 goal in 22 games even if he's more of a playmaker. The problem with Pilgrim-Edwards (and nearly everyone like him) is that teams are finding similar players in the BCHL that they can bring in for free. The "depth" market has dropped off a cliff in the last couple of weeks. That's also a fair point, but I do think of the 7 possible contenders and how many moves we likely see considering it's a memorial cup year that one of the teams could be interested in him. There will be lots of bidding wars and teams needing fallback options. I wouldn't be surprised if he stays either but I would expect there to at least be some calls about him. bottom 6 guys can really make a difference sometimes on these top teams, especially if they have some offensive side to them. Halifax last year could've used these type of guys in their bottom 6 but stayed top heavy and it didn't work out. Drummondville and BC both ran 3-4 solid lines so I think we see similar this year for the contenders. also some of these free agents, while potential great adds, are also unproven in the league. |
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Post by JEagle on Dec 2, 2024 12:00:06 GMT -4
Bit more info on stuff.
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Post by jordo999 on Dec 2, 2024 14:00:04 GMT -4
definitely seems likely it'll happen unless the board of governors just shut it down completely for whatever reason. I know the mayor of Bathurst and others involved wanted to keep the team in Bathurst but not sure it happens in the end. Personally I'll still cheer for the team and watch online if they move but will still be disappointed for sure. |
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Post by JEagle on Dec 2, 2024 15:10:00 GMT -4
definitely seems likely it'll happen unless the board of governors just shut it down completely for whatever reason. I know the mayor of Bathurst and others involved wanted to keep the team in Bathurst but not sure it happens in the end. Personally I'll still cheer for the team and watch online if they move but will still be disappointed for sure. First I feel like I should preface this I hate seeing Bathurst lose it's team as I have great memories of them vs the Eagles and while I'm not against St.John's getting a team again, I guess my biggest question with all of this is what happens if St.John's fails again in say 5 years time? Does the Q fold the team and go with 17 teams for a while till the enviable attempt at American expansion? I ask this cause it's not like there's a whole handful of locations in the Maritimes the team could try and relocate to if the Q proceeded to fail again in St.John's. |
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Post by kyle52 on Dec 2, 2024 15:31:20 GMT -4
First I feel like I should preface this I hate seeing Bathurst lose it's team as I have great memories of them vs the Eagles and while I'm not against St.John's getting a team again, I guess my biggest question with all of this is what happens if St.John's fails again in say 5 years time? Does the Q fold the team and go with 17 teams for a while till the enviable attempt at American expansion? I ask this cause it's not like there's a whole handful of locations in the Maritimes the team could try and relocate to if the Q proceeded to fail again in St.John's. I think the only other option in the Maritimes would be Edmundston. They have a nice enough rink and a strong local fanbase for just Jr A. Not saying it's a good option but it's the only other one IMO. |
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Post by jordo999 on Dec 2, 2024 16:25:18 GMT -4
definitely seems likely it'll happen unless the board of governors just shut it down completely for whatever reason. I know the mayor of Bathurst and others involved wanted to keep the team in Bathurst but not sure it happens in the end. Personally I'll still cheer for the team and watch online if they move but will still be disappointed for sure. First I feel like I should preface this I hate seeing Bathurst lose it's team as I have great memories of them vs the Eagles and while I'm not against St.John's getting a team again, I guess my biggest question with all of this is what happens if St.John's fails again in say 5 years time? Does the Q fold the team and go with 17 teams for a while till the enviable attempt at American expansion? I ask this cause it's not like there's a whole handful of locations in the Maritimes the team could try and relocate to if the Q proceeded to fail again in St.John's. Yeah that's definitely a big question mark, things do seem to be moving rather fast if they likely have a decision made by this month or next. Did they figure out pricing for flights/teams travel costs? That was a huge question for a while. What is this new ownership going to do differently as well? Like you mentioned if they were to fail then what's the back up plan? Still lots of details need to be ironed out I'm assuming. Which is why I'm maybe a little hopeful that this takes longer than a year for the team to actually move and such. If they were to move and it not work I doubt they come back to the Maritimes. Fredericton is the only real logical spot to have a Q team (maybe Edmundston?) But we all know the reason why it won't go to Freddy. But I don't think the board of governors would be all too happy having to fold a team overall. |
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Post by twfc on Dec 2, 2024 21:56:27 GMT -4
Summerside, Truro, Corner Brook and Edmundston seem to all have similar hockey capacity seating numbers in their arena’s, with similar population to Bathurst. Truro probably has one of the best locations geographically.
Summerside would be neat in a way that their proximity could create synergy with Charlottetown fans going to Summerside games, vice versa.. Correct me if I’m wrong, doesn’t there need to be a certain distance KM-wise away from another Q club? I recall that being the discussion when Montreal and potential suburb teams in the past.
Fredericton, like you mentioned would of course be the next best thing for a larger-esque market.
I’d add Miramichi in there, population wise and arena equivalent.. only thing is their Civic Centre is very out of date, and it’s replacement is seating nearly less than half of the civic centre capacity.
There’s options.. wouldn’t call them fantastic option as like mentioned before, rules, regulations and other sports teams play a part.
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 2, 2024 23:24:32 GMT -4
Summerside, Truro, Corner Brook and Edmundston seem to all have similar hockey capacity seating numbers in their arena’s, with similar population to Bathurst. Truro probably has one of the best locations geographically. Summerside would be neat in a way that their proximity could create synergy with Charlottetown fans going to Summerside games, vice versa.. Correct me if I’m wrong, doesn’t there need to be a certain distance KM-wise away from another Q club? I recall that being the discussion when Montreal and potential suburb teams in the past. Fredericton, like you mentioned would of course be the next best thing for a larger-esque market. I’d add Miramichi in there, population wise and arena equivalent.. only thing is their Civic Centre is very out of date, and it’s replacement is seating nearly less than half of the civic centre capacity. There’s options.. wouldn’t call them fantastic option as like mentioned before, rules, regulations and other sports teams play a part. They’re “options” in the sense that they have Jr. A teams and rinks to play in. They’re not realistic options for successful long-term QMJHL franchises though. |
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Post by Score on Dec 3, 2024 8:37:07 GMT -4
Summerside has a real nice arena.....I wish it was in Charlottetown.
Saying so, the hockey fans up there are VERY loyal Caps fans i cannot see the City even discussing about bring a Q team in, at all.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 3, 2024 9:18:43 GMT -4
Summerside, Truro, Corner Brook and Edmundston seem to all have similar hockey capacity seating numbers in their arena’s, with similar population to Bathurst. Truro probably has one of the best locations geographically. Summerside would be neat in a way that their proximity could create synergy with Charlottetown fans going to Summerside games, vice versa.. Correct me if I’m wrong, doesn’t there need to be a certain distance KM-wise away from another Q club? I recall that being the discussion when Montreal and potential suburb teams in the past. Fredericton, like you mentioned would of course be the next best thing for a larger-esque market. I’d add Miramichi in there, population wise and arena equivalent.. only thing is their Civic Centre is very out of date, and it’s replacement is seating nearly less than half of the civic centre capacity. There’s options.. wouldn’t call them fantastic option as like mentioned before, rules, regulations and other sports teams play a part. There's no options. The fact you're mentioning a pile of Jr. A markets with under 4000 capacity in smaller rural areas is an example of how few options there are. Do we really think Bathurst sticks it out for 10+ years of sub 2000 crowds in a building with limited capacity because there's other options close by that could make sense? Bathurst is the proof that those other markets are not options. The only market in the Maritimes that could see a Q team is Fredricton with a brand new 5000 seat arena. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 3, 2024 9:23:11 GMT -4
Summerside has a real nice arena.....I wish it was in Charlottetown. Saying so, the hockey fans up there are VERY loyal Caps fans i cannot see the City even discussing about bring a Q team in, at all. They won't have to. The arena size along with the population size make it a moot point for the Q. What would the attendance in Summerside look like in year 3 or 4 of a Q rebuild? Their 1st place Jr A team has had nights of 942 and 1003 as attendance numbers. They average 1641. |
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Post by twfc on Dec 3, 2024 11:39:14 GMT -4
Summerside, Truro, Corner Brook and Edmundston seem to all have similar hockey capacity seating numbers in their arena’s, with similar population to Bathurst. Truro probably has one of the best locations geographically. Summerside would be neat in a way that their proximity could create synergy with Charlottetown fans going to Summerside games, vice versa.. Correct me if I’m wrong, doesn’t there need to be a certain distance KM-wise away from another Q club? I recall that being the discussion when Montreal and potential suburb teams in the past. Fredericton, like you mentioned would of course be the next best thing for a larger-esque market. I’d add Miramichi in there, population wise and arena equivalent.. only thing is their Civic Centre is very out of date, and it’s replacement is seating nearly less than half of the civic centre capacity. There’s options.. wouldn’t call them fantastic option as like mentioned before, rules, regulations and other sports teams play a part. There's no options. The fact you're mentioning a pile of Jr. A markets with under 4000 capacity in smaller rural areas is an example of how few options there are. Do we really think Bathurst sticks it out for 10+ years of sub 2000 crowds in a building with limited capacity because there's other options close by that could make sense? Bathurst is the proof that those other markets are not options. The only market in the Maritimes that could see a Q team is Fredricton with a brand new 5000 seat arena. Definitely! All great points. My thoughts weren’t so much that the Q would consider these location, it was more of a comparison and population comparison of facility vs population. This gets into a deeper thought of, what is the ideal average attendance to support a Q business model and team? We have a handful of teams from the last ten years, that are below Bathurst and slightly above, attendance wise. So, to say Bathurst in today’s economy and declining population, is punching above its weight class, is true. That being said why aren’t cities who have greater populations pumping out much higher attendance figures and how are they sustainable. Good Ownership, Good Marketing and the brand of your team can bring a small community together and support a team. Bathurst did it for nearly 30 years now. Again, not arguing that they should stay, go or whichever, just providing analysis into other markets, Q and Non-Q. Depending on that average attendance and local support needed to keep a team going, why has Baie Comeau and Val d’or not folded? |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 3, 2024 12:06:37 GMT -4
There's no options. The fact you're mentioning a pile of Jr. A markets with under 4000 capacity in smaller rural areas is an example of how few options there are. Do we really think Bathurst sticks it out for 10+ years of sub 2000 crowds in a building with limited capacity because there's other options close by that could make sense? Bathurst is the proof that those other markets are not options. The only market in the Maritimes that could see a Q team is Fredricton with a brand new 5000 seat arena. Definitely! All great points. My thoughts weren’t so much that the Q would consider these location, it was more of a comparison and population comparison of facility vs population. This gets into a deeper thought of, what is the ideal average attendance to support a Q business model and team? We have a handful of teams from the last ten years, that are below Bathurst and slightly above, attendance wise. So, to say Bathurst in today’s economy and declining population, is punching above its weight class, is true. That being said why aren’t cities who have greater populations pumping out much higher attendance figures and how are they sustainable. Good Ownership, Good Marketing and the brand of your team can bring a small community together and support a team. Bathurst did it for nearly 30 years now. Again, not arguing that they should stay, go or whichever, just providing analysis into other markets, Q and Non-Q. Depending on that average attendance and local support needed to keep a team going, why has Baie Comeau and Val d’or not folded? Local deep pocketed ownership is mostly the answer. Bathurst had a lot of support early on that basically floated the team through the first 10 years. But as that wore off and local ownership took over the fans just never came back fully. They may have survived for close to 30 years but half of that has basically been on life support to the point that local ownership has finally spent enough on the losses to decide to move on. Every other Maritime market minus Charlottetown has bigger buildings to fit more people in during the good times. Those markets all also have very rich owners who can handle a lifetime of losses on their hockey teams and it never put a dent into their own personal bottom lines. And once you cross the border into Quebec you're playing with different rules. They all got money coming out of covid for the league to get rid of fighting. The Maritime teams didn't get the same handout. There's also more local municipal government involvement in some of those smaller Quebec towns. If there were teams in Edmundston and Summerside and provincial government handouts and municipal breaks on rent suddenly Bathurst looks different as a market...thats kind of the situation for the Val d'Or's and Baie-Comeau's. |
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