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Post by jordo999 on Nov 26, 2024 17:37:28 GMT -4
so if this is the case, Butler and Kearsey could be talked about, same with Seymour, all would make sense for the Titan to add.
Seymour hasn't had a great sophomore season in BC, he would fit the cycle and brings size, I can see the Titan striking a deal here for sure.
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Post by jordo999 on Nov 26, 2024 17:45:43 GMT -4
so let's say hypothetically this happens, and the Titan want Kearsey + Butler, what is the price here? Both guys are 2.5 year players and solid. Kearsey is a top 4 D while Butler is a middle 6 forward (both could be end up being a top 2 and top 6 as well as time goes on)
I think the Gatineau and Val d'Or picks are untouchable. So the Titan could realistically offer their 1st, maybe their 1st from next year? Also one of their 16s? Arsenault? I think both guys are in the range of 1st rounders value wise so something like this possibly makes sense.
Then they can flip Perron or Clements for a 1st + back. OR If BC is interested in Perron maybe they get Seymour +.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 27, 2024 9:57:22 GMT -4
so let's say hypothetically this happens, and the Titan want Kearsey + Butler, what is the price here? Both guys are 2.5 year players and solid. Kearsey is a top 4 D while Butler is a middle 6 forward (both could be end up being a top 2 and top 6 as well as time goes on) I think the Gatineau and Val d'Or picks are untouchable. So the Titan could realistically offer their 1st, maybe their 1st from next year? Also one of their 16s? Arsenault? I think both guys are in the range of 1st rounders value wise so something like this possibly makes sense. Then they can flip Perron or Clements for a 1st + back. OR If BC is interested in Perron maybe they get Seymour +. I don't think Hulton can afford to make that deal right now. It would mean 2-3 more years of losing. And none of your picks are untouchable if you're buying. Those are the assets a rebuilding team will demand to give up 18yr olds. Your offer of a couple late 1sts and a 16yr old doesnt even start a discussion with a Charlottetown. |
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Post by bois on Nov 27, 2024 10:09:10 GMT -4
I mean if we are hypothetically talking both Butler and Kearsay then for sure at least 2 of your firsts are on the table
I'd actually probably be all for that type of move if we could wind up with 3 firsts in the upcoming draft then the rebuild is finally taking real shape and begins a true core to build around
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Post by lirette on Nov 27, 2024 10:28:04 GMT -4
so let's say hypothetically this happens, and the Titan want Kearsey + Butler, what is the price here? Both guys are 2.5 year players and solid. Kearsey is a top 4 D while Butler is a middle 6 forward (both could be end up being a top 2 and top 6 as well as time goes on) I think the Gatineau and Val d'Or picks are untouchable. So the Titan could realistically offer their 1st, maybe their 1st from next year? Also one of their 16s? Arsenault? I think both guys are in the range of 1st rounders value wise so something like this possibly makes sense. Then they can flip Perron or Clements for a 1st + back. OR If BC is interested in Perron maybe they get Seymour +. I don't think Hulton can afford to make that deal right now. It would mean 2-3 more years of losing. And none of your picks are untouchable if you're buying. Those are the assets a rebuilding team will demand to give up 18yr olds. Your offer of a couple late 1sts and a 16yr old doesnt even start a discussion with a Charlottetown. I dont think Charlottetown is winning anything with their current core maturing either. They are in no mans land. They need to add an entire scoring line and at least 2 top 4 defenseman in the next 1.5 years and dont really have the luxury of extra picks to do so. Hitting on both euro's next year would obviously help but I dont think they can count on that. They are in year 3 of the rebuild and have less draft picks than Moncton somehow and no 19 or 20 year olds that will bring anything back. Leek might get them a 3rd rounder, perhaps another mid round pick for Topilnyckyj but hes not getting rave reviews from their own posters. Compare that to teams like Blainville (6 1st rounders, 5 2nd rounders in the next 3 years), Bathurst (5 1st rounders in the next 3 years) and they are in tough. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 27, 2024 10:47:27 GMT -4
I don't think Hulton can afford to make that deal right now. It would mean 2-3 more years of losing. And none of your picks are untouchable if you're buying. Those are the assets a rebuilding team will demand to give up 18yr olds. Your offer of a couple late 1sts and a 16yr old doesnt even start a discussion with a Charlottetown. I dont think Charlottetown is winning anything with their current core maturing either. They are in no mans land. They need to add an entire scoring line and at least 2 top 4 defenseman in the next 1.5 years and dont really have the luxury of extra picks to do so. Hitting on both euro's next year would obviously help but I dont think they can count on that. They are in year 3 of the rebuild and have less draft picks than Moncton somehow and no 19 or 20 year olds that will bring anything back. Leek might get them a 3rd rounder, perhaps another mid round pick for Topilnyckyj but hes not getting rave reviews from their own posters. Compare that to teams like Blainville (6 1st rounders, 5 2nd rounders in the next 3 years), Bathurst (5 1st rounders in the next 3 years) and they are in tough. 100%. It will be interesting to see what Hulton does. Kearsey's development hasnt gone fully as expected. But is he worth much less at 19? An interesting part of this trade period will be how deep the middle of the pack teams want to trade to actually try and win. I can see Hulton taking the stance that unless you're really overpaying he's not making that move now. Even though it feels like he kind of has to make a major move to change the course there. |
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Post by jordo999 on Nov 27, 2024 11:46:27 GMT -4
so let's say hypothetically this happens, and the Titan want Kearsey + Butler, what is the price here? Both guys are 2.5 year players and solid. Kearsey is a top 4 D while Butler is a middle 6 forward (both could be end up being a top 2 and top 6 as well as time goes on) I think the Gatineau and Val d'Or picks are untouchable. So the Titan could realistically offer their 1st, maybe their 1st from next year? Also one of their 16s? Arsenault? I think both guys are in the range of 1st rounders value wise so something like this possibly makes sense. Then they can flip Perron or Clements for a 1st + back. OR If BC is interested in Perron maybe they get Seymour +. I don't think Hulton can afford to make that deal right now. It would mean 2-3 more years of losing. And none of your picks are untouchable if you're buying. Those are the assets a rebuilding team will demand to give up 18yr olds. Your offer of a couple late 1sts and a 16yr old doesnt even start a discussion with a Charlottetown. why not though? Charlottetown is already losing and they'd have a chance to get multiple 1sts + a local prospect who just went in the 1st round and potentially more? If Titan can offer 5-6 good pieces I think Charlottetown definitely listens And I get if you're buying nothing may be untouchable but I'm not trading a potential 1st overall and 2nd overall pick for 2 guys who are arguably having down years, yes both are great players but I think you could acquire both without having to give up lottery picks and Charlottetown still getting enough out of this to help their rebuild. |
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Post by jordo999 on Nov 27, 2024 11:47:08 GMT -4
I mean if we are hypothetically talking both Butler and Kearsay then for sure at least 2 of your firsts are on the table I'd actually probably be all for that type of move if we could wind up with 3 firsts in the upcoming draft then the rebuild is finally taking real shape and begins a true core to build around that's the way I see it as well, also Arsenault is a local guy and a former 1st rounder with potential. |
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Post by bois on Nov 27, 2024 11:51:51 GMT -4
I mean if we are hypothetically talking both Butler and Kearsay then for sure at least 2 of your firsts are on the table I'd actually probably be all for that type of move if we could wind up with 3 firsts in the upcoming draft then the rebuild is finally taking real shape and begins a true core to build around that's the way I see it as well, also Arsenault is a local guy and a former 1st rounder with potential. But we don't see it quite the same.... i think your first is in play but one of the potential lottery firsts is as well.... that's the only way I see Charlottetown making that type of move now Gatineau or Val Dor 1st Bathurst 1st Arsenault and say a future asset or 2nd in 2026 for Kearsay and Butler is the framework to start with.... some tweaks can be made on either side but the main pieces are there |
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Post by jordo999 on Nov 27, 2024 11:52:35 GMT -4
not to mention Charlottetown can move Michaud for a lot as well and truly start their proper rebuild, I know they set themselves back even more but this team is not going to win with it's current core anyways even if they keep their top guys till next year. The way I see it is move anyone with value now, get 3-4 1sts for this coming draft and then go from there.
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Post by jordo999 on Nov 27, 2024 11:54:48 GMT -4
that's the way I see it as well, also Arsenault is a local guy and a former 1st rounder with potential. But we don't see it quite the same.... i think your first is in play but one of the potential lottery firsts is as well.... that's the only way I see Charlottetown making that type of move now Gatineau or Val Dor 1st Bathurst 1st Arsenault and say a future asset or 2nd in 2026 for Kearsay and Butler is the framework to start with.... some tweaks can be made on either side but the main pieces are there fair enough, I guess I just see the Val d'Or and Gatineau picks being worth 3+ assets on their own. Considering if they were to draft Alexis Joseph 1st for an example if he wouldn't report here the Titan would get 3+ 1sts in equivalent value for him. don't get me wrong 2.5 years of Kearsey and Butler isn't going to be cheap anyways but guess we will see what happens. Titan could arguably have another lottery pick with the Victoriaville one for 2026 anyways so maybe the Val d'Or pick is on the table if they go this route. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 27, 2024 12:07:27 GMT -4
I don't think Hulton can afford to make that deal right now. It would mean 2-3 more years of losing. And none of your picks are untouchable if you're buying. Those are the assets a rebuilding team will demand to give up 18yr olds. Your offer of a couple late 1sts and a 16yr old doesnt even start a discussion with a Charlottetown. why not though? Charlottetown is already losing and they'd have a chance to get multiple 1sts + a local prospect who just went in the 1st round and potentially more? If Titan can offer 5-6 good pieces I think Charlottetown definitely listens And I get if you're buying nothing may be untouchable but I'm not trading a potential 1st overall and 2nd overall pick for 2 guys who are arguably having down years, yes both are great players but I think you could acquire both without having to give up lottery picks and Charlottetown still getting enough out of this to help their rebuild. From an organizational perspective you're right. Does Hulton survive to see the other end of the rebuild if he bottoms out right now becomes the question he has to start asking himself. He might see more job security in not bottoming out and waiting 12 months to cash out on his 18yr olds. Its definitely not happening without at least one of those lottery picks. |
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Post by jordo999 on Nov 27, 2024 12:12:12 GMT -4
why not though? Charlottetown is already losing and they'd have a chance to get multiple 1sts + a local prospect who just went in the 1st round and potentially more? If Titan can offer 5-6 good pieces I think Charlottetown definitely listens And I get if you're buying nothing may be untouchable but I'm not trading a potential 1st overall and 2nd overall pick for 2 guys who are arguably having down years, yes both are great players but I think you could acquire both without having to give up lottery picks and Charlottetown still getting enough out of this to help their rebuild. From an organizational perspective you're right. Does Hulton survive to see the other end of the rebuild if he bottoms out right now becomes the question he has to start asking himself. He might see more job security in not bottoming out and waiting 12 months to cash out on his 18yr olds. Its definitely not happening without at least one of those lottery picks. that's fair, which is definitely another route they can take, could also make more sense during that time for the Titan too if they decide to just buy next year instead of now and then they could offer futures and such. fair enough regarding the lottery picks. |
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Post by howitzer on Nov 27, 2024 12:27:07 GMT -4
that's the way I see it as well, also Arsenault is a local guy and a former 1st rounder with potential. But we don't see it quite the same.... i think your first is in play but one of the potential lottery firsts is as well.... that's the only way I see Charlottetown making that type of move now Gatineau or Val Dor 1st Bathurst 1st Arsenault and say a future asset or 2nd in 2026 for Kearsay and Butler is the framework to start with.... some tweaks can be made on either side but the main pieces are there If the lottery gives Bat 1st and 2nd overall (even a top 4), I don't see Kearsey or Butler being involved in a deal for one of those picks. They're good, but not that good I agree the framework of a deal like this exists between these two teams, but if Bat was going to include multiple 1sts, I think you'd see them trade down from one of those top picks, and flip a top 10-15 pick in the package. |
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Post by davo1997 on Nov 27, 2024 15:19:03 GMT -4
Kearsey is soft i want nothing to do with him for that price.
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