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Post by twfc on Nov 25, 2024 16:20:37 GMT -4
Hearing Guimond will arrive this week. Clements and Martin would be great targets to solidify the backend totally agree. Adding depth pieces up front isn't easy. Acquiring players that are willing to come in and be comfortable in a lesser role in the bottom 6 for a half a season with the Cats compared to where they fit currently on a team won't be an easy sell especially if everyone stays healthy. 8-9 of Moncton's forwards are around the top 50 in scoring which speaks to the current depth and MacDougall giving all guys opportunity on any given night. Sliding anyone of Smith-Lounsbury-Collard-Mercier into a 4th line role would be a tough pill for them to swallow. Culture in the room is important and I don't see some of the names being mentioned as potential targets being satisfied in 3/4th line role long term. With the scoring depth noted some consideration in exchanging Loshing for a more physical/playoff experienced 20 year old has to be a consideration but not sure who would be available? With the way MacDougall has been sliding Loshing up and down the line up, this wouldn’t surprise me. Hopefully with Guimond potentially coming this week he’ll get a start against Gatineau. Steinman is someone else who I wouldn’t be surprised gets upgraded on. His stats behind Moncton are great, but saying that there just seems to be games where he lets those softies in and it’s created momentum shifts. Not exactly what you need, especially during a deep playoff run. We haven’t seen many times where he’s been able to steal a game for us. Is Boisselle from Gatineau a 19 or a 20? Decent size, former First round pick . Had just over a PPG last season. Could slide into a bottom 6 role as well, preferably as a 19. |
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Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on Nov 25, 2024 16:35:09 GMT -4
Hearing Guimond will arrive this week. Clements and Martin would be great targets to solidify the backend totally agree. Adding depth pieces up front isn't easy. Acquiring players that are willing to come in and be comfortable in a lesser role in the bottom 6 for a half a season with the Cats compared to where they fit currently on a team won't be an easy sell especially if everyone stays healthy. 8-9 of Moncton's forwards are around the top 50 in scoring which speaks to the current depth and MacDougall giving all guys opportunity on any given night. Sliding anyone of Smith-Lounsbury-Collard-Mercier into a 4th line role would be a tough pill for them to swallow. Culture in the room is important and I don't see some of the names being mentioned as potential targets being satisfied in 3/4th line role long term. With the scoring depth noted some consideration in exchanging Loshing for a more physical/playoff experienced 20 year old has to be a consideration but not sure who would be available? With the way MacDougall has been sliding Loshing up and down the line up, this wouldn’t surprise me. Hopefully with Guimond potentially coming this week he’ll get a start against Gatineau. Steinman is someone else who I wouldn’t be surprised gets upgraded on. His stats behind Moncton are great, but saying that there just seems to be games where he lets those softies in and it’s created momentum shifts. Not exactly what you need, especially during a deep playoff run. We haven’t seen many times where he’s been able to steal a game for us. Is Boisselle from Gatineau a 19 or a 20? Decent size, former First round pick . Had just over a PPG last season. Could slide into a bottom 6 role as well, preferably as a 19. I find a lot of those games have been recently and honestly part of me wonders if it’s not due to the fact that he’s played in 21/24 games and hopefully Guimond is indeed arriving this week and works out because having steinman play 7 periods out of 9 in a 3 in 4 isn’t good |
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Post by jordo999 on Nov 25, 2024 19:21:39 GMT -4
Hearing Guimond will arrive this week. Clements and Martin would be great targets to solidify the backend totally agree. Adding depth pieces up front isn't easy. Acquiring players that are willing to come in and be comfortable in a lesser role in the bottom 6 for a half a season with the Cats compared to where they fit currently on a team won't be an easy sell especially if everyone stays healthy. 8-9 of Moncton's forwards are around the top 50 in scoring which speaks to the current depth and MacDougall giving all guys opportunity on any given night. Sliding anyone of Smith-Lounsbury-Collard-Mercier into a 4th line role would be a tough pill for them to swallow. Culture in the room is important and I don't see some of the names being mentioned as potential targets being satisfied in 3/4th line role long term. With the scoring depth noted some consideration in exchanging Loshing for a more physical/playoff experienced 20 year old has to be a consideration but not sure who would be available? not sure there's a real upgrade to Loshing, unless you consider Newcombe and/or Henneberry in CB as an upgrade, they're both bigger bodies with physical presence but also offensive type guys. But does a trade between the 2 teams really make sense especially if CB wants to buy in the end as well? Cote is the only real true upgrade to Loshing I'd say, but he's tiny, so not much of what you'd want physicality wise. maybe Minville in Gatineau? But I doubt Loshing goes there, would likely be flipped. other than that I don't think anything else is realistic. |
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Post by lirette on Nov 25, 2024 19:50:11 GMT -4
Trading Loshing, who came up with the core of this team over the last 5 years for another 20 year old would be a very "Sly Couturier" move. A trade for the sake of a trade.
A team that is playing this well doesn't just start shuffling around 20 year olds like it's a video game. I think it's just a case of overthinking when this team just has so much depth there isn't as obvious of moves to make as there usually is.
Add a #5 dman who can play top 4, add 1 forward who can play top 6 in case of injury but still make an impact on the 4th line and call it a day.
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Post by twfc on Nov 25, 2024 20:15:48 GMT -4
Hearing Guimond will arrive this week. Clements and Martin would be great targets to solidify the backend totally agree. Adding depth pieces up front isn't easy. Acquiring players that are willing to come in and be comfortable in a lesser role in the bottom 6 for a half a season with the Cats compared to where they fit currently on a team won't be an easy sell especially if everyone stays healthy. 8-9 of Moncton's forwards are around the top 50 in scoring which speaks to the current depth and MacDougall giving all guys opportunity on any given night. Sliding anyone of Smith-Lounsbury-Collard-Mercier into a 4th line role would be a tough pill for them to swallow. Culture in the room is important and I don't see some of the names being mentioned as potential targets being satisfied in 3/4th line role long term. With the scoring depth noted some consideration in exchanging Loshing for a more physical/playoff experienced 20 year old has to be a consideration but not sure who would be available? not sure there's a real upgrade to Loshing, unless you consider Newcombe and/or Henneberry in CB as an upgrade, they're both bigger bodies with physical presence but also offensive type guys. But does a trade between the 2 teams really make sense especially if CB wants to buy in the end as well? Cote is the only real true upgrade to Loshing I'd say, but he's tiny, so not much of what you'd want physicality wise. maybe Minville in Gatineau? But I doubt Loshing goes there, would likely be flipped. other than that I don't think anything else is realistic. I was more thinking a Fauchon in Blainville if they sell. |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Nov 26, 2024 8:10:14 GMT -4
Hearing Guimond will arrive this week. Clements and Martin would be great targets to solidify the backend totally agree. Adding depth pieces up front isn't easy. Acquiring players that are willing to come in and be comfortable in a lesser role in the bottom 6 for a half a season with the Cats compared to where they fit currently on a team won't be an easy sell especially if everyone stays healthy. 8-9 of Moncton's forwards are around the top 50 in scoring which speaks to the current depth and MacDougall giving all guys opportunity on any given night. Sliding anyone of Smith-Lounsbury-Collard-Mercier into a 4th line role would be a tough pill for them to swallow. Culture in the room is important and I don't see some of the names being mentioned as potential targets being satisfied in 3/4th line role long term. With the scoring depth noted some consideration in exchanging Loshing for a more physical/playoff experienced 20 year old has to be a consideration but not sure who would be available? His Instagram has been updated to say Moncton. I checked a few days ago and there was no mention of it on his profile. |
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 26, 2024 8:38:37 GMT -4
Trading Loshing, who came up with the core of this team over the last 5 years for another 20 year old would be a very "Sly Couturier" move. A trade for the sake of a trade. A team that is playing this well doesn't just start shuffling around 20 year olds like it's a video game. I think it's just a case of overthinking when this team just has so much depth there isn't as obvious of moves to make as there usually is. Add a #5 dman who can play top 4, add 1 forward who can play top 6 in case of injury but still make an impact on the 4th line and call it a day. I wonder if a Ben Cross could fit the forward bill (as a potential cheap add) |
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Post by davo1997 on Nov 26, 2024 8:45:44 GMT -4
Clements and St-onge could be good for Moncton. Clements is a trust worthy dman who can log big minutes and brings a physical presence. St-onge is a speedy quick good pk guy who could fit on monctons 4th line well.
Moncton should owe something for pekarcik maybe the trade gets bigger.
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Post by lirette on Nov 26, 2024 8:53:22 GMT -4
Trading Loshing, who came up with the core of this team over the last 5 years for another 20 year old would be a very "Sly Couturier" move. A trade for the sake of a trade. A team that is playing this well doesn't just start shuffling around 20 year olds like it's a video game. I think it's just a case of overthinking when this team just has so much depth there isn't as obvious of moves to make as there usually is. Add a #5 dman who can play top 4, add 1 forward who can play top 6 in case of injury but still make an impact on the 4th line and call it a day. I wonder if a Ben Cross could fit the forward bill (as a potential cheap add) Wasn't Cross just a healthy scratch recently? I don't see him as an upgrade on our current 4th liners. Cormier / Sampson / Cloutier would have similar numbers to him if they played 1st line minutes as much as he did early on. If the Cats are going to spend on a forward they might as well add someone who would be a top 6 forward on any lineup and not one whos top 6 on a rebuilding team. There's really no need for them to add cheaply. Teams in the other conference and even someone like Bathurst are more likely to do that. Keep in mind our 4th line might only see 2 shifts a period. There is diminishing returns on even upgrading this part of the lineup. If we had an injury somewhere in the lineup I dont see much difference between Cross and calling up Wagner, Schlender or Hayne. On the other hand if they add a Lavigne or Baril and you lose someone in the top 6 you just move them up and you maintain your depth plus you can roll all 4 lines. |
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Post by davo1997 on Nov 26, 2024 8:58:32 GMT -4
I wonder if a Ben Cross could fit the forward bill (as a potential cheap add) Wasn't Cross just a healthy scratch recently? I don't see him as an upgrade on our current 4th liners. Cormier / Sampson / Cloutier would have similar numbers to him if they played 1st line minutes as much as he did early on. If the Cats are going to spend on a forward they might as well add someone who would be a top 6 forward on any lineup and not one whos top 6 on a rebuilding team. There's really no need for them to add cheaply. Teams in the other conference and even someone like Bathurst are more likely to do that. Keep in mind our 4th line might only see 2 shifts a period. There is diminishing returns on even upgrading this part of the lineup. If we had an injury somewhere in the lineup I dont see much difference between Cross and calling up Wagner, Schlender or Hayne. On the other hand if they add a Lavigne or Baril and you lose someone in the top 6 you just move them up and you maintain your depth plus you can roll all 4 lines. Was Cross HS due to game play though? Cross would be much better the Schlender or hayne imo. If the Cats add a top 6 guys who gets bumped from the 2nd to 3rd and to 3rd to 4th. |
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 26, 2024 9:09:19 GMT -4
Wasn't Cross just a healthy scratch recently? I don't see him as an upgrade on our current 4th liners. Cormier / Sampson / Cloutier would have similar numbers to him if they played 1st line minutes as much as he did early on. If the Cats are going to spend on a forward they might as well add someone who would be a top 6 forward on any lineup and not one whos top 6 on a rebuilding team. There's really no need for them to add cheaply. Teams in the other conference and even someone like Bathurst are more likely to do that. Keep in mind our 4th line might only see 2 shifts a period. There is diminishing returns on even upgrading this part of the lineup. If we had an injury somewhere in the lineup I dont see much difference between Cross and calling up Wagner, Schlender or Hayne. On the other hand if they add a Lavigne or Baril and you lose someone in the top 6 you just move them up and you maintain your depth plus you can roll all 4 lines. Was Cross HS due to game play though? Cross would be much better the Schlender or hayne imo. If the Cats add a top 6 guys who gets bumped from the 2nd to 3rd and to 3rd to 4th. Cross is the 10th best forward on SJ (possibly 9th) at the moment. The HS had nothing to do with his play. While he is not the high end (top 6 on a non-contender who moves down), he is a guy who would improve your 4th line at a very reasonable price. Whether that makes sense or not is a question that could be asked, but he does all the little things that could be useful (and will accept whatever role is available). |
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Post by lirette on Nov 26, 2024 9:43:21 GMT -4
Wasn't Cross just a healthy scratch recently? I don't see him as an upgrade on our current 4th liners. Cormier / Sampson / Cloutier would have similar numbers to him if they played 1st line minutes as much as he did early on. If the Cats are going to spend on a forward they might as well add someone who would be a top 6 forward on any lineup and not one whos top 6 on a rebuilding team. There's really no need for them to add cheaply. Teams in the other conference and even someone like Bathurst are more likely to do that. Keep in mind our 4th line might only see 2 shifts a period. There is diminishing returns on even upgrading this part of the lineup. If we had an injury somewhere in the lineup I dont see much difference between Cross and calling up Wagner, Schlender or Hayne. On the other hand if they add a Lavigne or Baril and you lose someone in the top 6 you just move them up and you maintain your depth plus you can roll all 4 lines. Was Cross HS due to game play though? Cross would be much better the Schlender or hayne imo. If the Cats add a top 6 guys who gets bumped from the 2nd to 3rd and to 3rd to 4th. Hayne or Schlender aren't even on the team. It doesn't matter who gets bumped, the Cats are trying to win a memorial cup. If Lounsbury or Smith moves to the 4th line then so be it. Rimouski is likely going to add an entire line at the deadline, the way the Cats win is to be deeper than them. The difference between Hayne, Schlender, Cross, Wagner etc isnt going to make a difference on this team winning a championship. The Wildcats are going to be targetting players much better than Ben Cross. They are flush with assets to move, picks, prospects and tons of futures with only a couple of rosters spots that need upgrading. Even if I grant you that Cross is an upgrade on our current 4th liners (im not sure he is. Any 4 of our 4th liners could put up 12 points playing on the top line), the Cats can aim much higher to upgrade that line without touching any of our 1sts. Cross is a much better fit for a team like Bathurst who currently doesn't have a single player that's over a point per game. If Mercier and Loshing go down to injury in the playoffs, I'm not feeling great about the fact that our depth addition has 7 career goals in the Q. I'd rather add Baril, Lavigne or other options I listed and then slide them back into the top 9. |
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 26, 2024 9:48:26 GMT -4
Was Cross HS due to game play though? Cross would be much better the Schlender or hayne imo. If the Cats add a top 6 guys who gets bumped from the 2nd to 3rd and to 3rd to 4th. Hayne or Schlender aren't even on the team. It doesn't matter who gets bumped, the Cats are trying to win a memorial cup. If Lounsbury or Smith moves to the 4th line then so be it. Rimouski is likely going to add an entire line at the deadline, the way the Cats win is to be deeper than them. The difference between Hayne, Schlender, Cross, Wagner etc isnt going to make a difference on this team winning a championship. The Wildcats are going to be targetting players much better than Ben Cross. They are flush with assets to move, picks, prospects and tons of futures with only a couple of rosters spots that need upgrading. Even if I grant you that Cross is an upgrade on our current 4th liners (im not sure he is. Any 4 of our 4th liners could put up 12 points playing on the top line), the Cats can aim much higher to upgrade that line without touching any of our 1sts. Cross is a much better fit for a team like Bathurst who currently doesn't have a single player that's over a point per game. If Mercier and Loshing go down to injury in the playoffs, I'm not feeling great about the fact that our depth addition has 7 career goals in the Q. I'd rather add Baril, Lavigne or other options I listed and then slide them back into the top 9. While I agree with you about the "you can do better", there's no way in hell you are getting any of the players you mentioned without trading one or more 1sts. |
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