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Post by lalalaprise on Feb 9, 2010 19:28:36 GMT -4
Seems like there are a few teams who could legitimately host.
Shawi and Chicoutimi are 2 good options from Quebec but neither would bring in the cash like Saint John or Halifax would.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 19:29:59 GMT -4
Using what criteria? 2009 bidding used: * 25 per cent: logistics (accreditation, transportation, lodging and volunteers) * 20 per cent: hockey operations * 20 per cent: arena * 10 per cent: organizing committee * 10 per cent: marketing * 10 per cent: hosting of CHL events * 5 per cent: finance Halifax can compete with SJ and SHA in all of those, I'd think. They just had it in 2000 I think that's gonna count regardless of percentages. Perhaps but Halifax has the history of running the event. Ticket packages in Brandon this year are $399 10,595-6297=4298 x 399= $1,714,902. Thats a lot of resons to have it in Halifax rather then Saint John.
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Post by canucklehead on Feb 9, 2010 19:37:35 GMT -4
They just had it in 2000 I think that's gonna count regardless of percentages. Perhaps but Halifax has the history of running the event. Ticket packages in Brandon this year are $399 10,595-6297=4298 x 399= $1,714,902. Thats a lot of resons to have it in Halifax rather then Saint John. If thats what matter they should have given the bid to Halifax last year instead of Rimouski cause the difference is even bigger there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 19:48:07 GMT -4
Perhaps but Halifax has the history of running the event. Ticket packages in Brandon this year are $399 10,595-6297=4298 x 399= $1,714,902. Thats a lot of resons to have it in Halifax rather then Saint John. If thats what matter they should have given the bid to Halifax last year instead of Rimouski cause the difference is even bigger there. Yea but we sucked last year. I am not shiting on Saint John but if you look at the criteria, both finance and hosting a CHL event before are in Halifax's favor. Both rinks are close to downtown with lots of Hotels/Bars/Restaurants close. Both rinks are modern, I would asume both cities could come up with good committees. Halifax is building towards 2012 but there is no reason to think that Saint John will not have a strong team that year. | Halifax | Saint John | * 25 per cent: logistics | 25 | 25 | * 20 per cent: hockey operations | 20 | 20 | * 20 per cent: arena | 20 | 20 | * 10 per cent: organizing committee | 10 | 10 | * 10 per cent: marketing | 10 | 10 | * 10 per cent: hosting of CHL events | 10 | 0 | * 5 per cent: finance | 5 | 0 |
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Post by catnut on Feb 9, 2010 20:00:40 GMT -4
If thats what matter they should have given the bid to Halifax last year instead of Rimouski cause the difference is even bigger there. Yea but we sucked last year. I am not shiting on Saint John but if you look at the criteria, both finance and hosting a CHL event before are in Halifax's favor. Both rinks are close to downtown with lots of Hotels/Bars/Restaurants close. Both rinks are modern, I would asume both cities could come up with good committees. Halifax is building towards 2012 but there is no reason to think that Saint John will not have a strong team that year. | Halifax | Saint John | * 25 per cent: logistics | 25 | 25 | * 20 per cent: hockey operations | 20 | 20 | * 20 per cent: arena | 20 | 20 | * 10 per cent: organizing committee | 10 | 10 | * 10 per cent: marketing | 10 | 10 | * 10 per cent: hosting of CHL events | 10 | 0 | * 5 per cent: finance | 5 | 0 |
So you're saying that Quebec City could host it anytime they want? As for your chart, it wouldn't be 5-0 for finance. The league likely has a certain theshold that is required. If the team reaches that threshold they get the 5 points. And the other criteria are quite complex, so I doubt that the finance aspect would be the big differentiation point.
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Post by sharrow on Feb 9, 2010 20:01:18 GMT -4
Thats great news for Halifax and I thought that Saint John was on the ground floor, this now places them clearly below ground. And this should now work wonders for recruitment of some players who maybe on the fence, Ontario prospects, U.S. prospects and Canadian NCCA prospects. Who forget the success of the 2000 Memorial Cup in Halifax (PRICELESS). GO-MOOSE-GO
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Post by canucklehead on Feb 9, 2010 20:03:04 GMT -4
We did host a CHL event that being the Canada / Russia Series which isn't bad considering how long we've been in the league (5 years) ... Personally I think Saint John & Shawinigan should both have it before Halifax gets another bid. I have absolutely nothing against Hali by any means but i think SJ and Shawinigan have made major efforts over the past couple of seasons to show the league that they want the Memorial Cup and deserve it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 20:08:54 GMT -4
We did host a CHL event that being the Canada / Russia Series which isn't bad considering how long we've been in the league (5 years) ... Personally I think Saint John & Shawinigan should both have it before Halifax gets another bid. I have absolutely nothing against Hali by any means but i think SJ and Shawinigan have made major efforts over the past couple of seasons to show the league that they want the Memorial Cup and deserve it. I don't disagree. I have chsb's glasses on as it is an awesome event and I would love to have it in Halifax again. My point is that the league would have to consider a bid from Halifax seriously as are city does have a welldeserved reputation for hosting successful events. World Junior/World Championship/briars......... Not saying that Saint John would not do an awesome job as well. WIll be interesting.
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Post by canucklehead on Feb 9, 2010 20:17:19 GMT -4
We did host a CHL event that being the Canada / Russia Series which isn't bad considering how long we've been in the league (5 years) ... Personally I think Saint John & Shawinigan should both have it before Halifax gets another bid. I have absolutely nothing against Hali by any means but i think SJ and Shawinigan have made major efforts over the past couple of seasons to show the league that they want the Memorial Cup and deserve it. I don't disagree. I have chsb's glasses on as it is an awesome event and I would love to have it in Halifax again. My point is that the league would have to consider a bid from Halifax seriously as are city does have a welldeserved reputation for hosting successful events. World Junior/World Championship/briars......... Not saying that Saint John would not do an awesome job as well. WIll be interesting. We've had several very successful event outside of hockey as well including World Curling Championships among other things ... Yes Hali does have a great reputation there is no question about that and they are gonna have it again soon I just think this time they are going to have to show reasons why the league should pass over teams that haven't held the event yet. 1 strong case for a team like Shawinigan could be that Saint John has only been in the league 5 years and we've been in since the beginning and never been given the chance to hold the Memorial Cup (Good point too!) You can always look at the money but we still have a large arena holding over 6000 so it's not as though there is a 4000 seat arena your competing against.
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Post by milton on Feb 9, 2010 20:31:53 GMT -4
I think Shaw is the frontrunner. New rink, one of the oldest teams in the league, who have I believe never been to the Mem Cup in any capacity and a Quebec based team. Just my thoughts, but because I am a Hali fan, I think we should get it over anybody
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Post by dt281 on Feb 9, 2010 20:54:06 GMT -4
If it was all about the money of course Halifax would be the front runner. So the league should just rotate between Quebec and Halifax? May as well give them all the drafts & Canada/Russia games too. As much as I think Halifax did a great job in 2000, I think it is too soon.
I live in Cape Breton and I pray we don't get it in 2012 cause at this point it would be a joke that we could build a contender for it.
As far as seating goes, Rimouski hosted & they are just over 5000. When the renovations are done C.B. will be at 5000. If you think that is not enough that means there would only be Que, Hal, Mon, or S.J. that could host.
I would think Shawinigan deserves it at this point. They never hosted, and have a nice new arena, although I don't know about the hotels and other stuff.
I know a committee reviews the bids, but who makes the final decision?
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Post by Fred The Moose on Feb 9, 2010 21:10:08 GMT -4
It should be on history from holding 2000 that Halifax wins bid hands down it was the first major success of Memorial Cup in canada history they set the records for just about every countable stat... It would not be a problem to get 11,000 to buy tickets either...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 21:12:45 GMT -4
If it was all about the money of course Halifax would be the front runner. So the league should just rotate between Quebec and Halifax? May as well give them all the drafts & Canada/Russia games too. As much as I think Halifax did a great job in 2000, I think it is too soon. I live in Cape Breton and I pray we don't get it in 2012 cause at this point it would be a joke that we could build a contender for it. As far as seating goes, Rimouski hosted & they are just over 5000. When the renovations are done C.B. will be at 5000. If you think that is not enough that means there would only be Que, Hal, Mon, or S.J. that could host. I would think Shawinigan deserves it at this point. They never hosted, and have a nice new arena, although I don't know about the hotels and other stuff. I know a committee reviews the bids, but who makes the final decision? I believe the committe makes a recomendation to the BOG. I do not for one second think it should be all about the money beacuse if it was no one could touch Quebec. Is a tough call for the league as being in a Memorial Cup is what we play all year for. Being host is a bonus entry. Being awarded to host is in some ways a reward for being a good franchise and helping the league succed. A lot of teams can make that claim. 12 years between hosting is a long time but only hosting once in 3 years means a lot of teams want that chance. Can't blame Bobby for trying.
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Post by Briwhel on Feb 9, 2010 21:15:19 GMT -4
If thats what matter they should have given the bid to Halifax last year instead of Rimouski cause the difference is even bigger there. Yea but we sucked last year. I am not shiting on Saint John but if you look at the criteria, both finance and hosting a CHL event before are in Halifax's favor. Both rinks are close to downtown with lots of Hotels/Bars/Restaurants close. Both rinks are modern, I would asume both cities could come up with good committees. Halifax is building towards 2012 but there is no reason to think that Saint John will not have a strong team that year. | Halifax | Saint John | * 25 per cent: logistics | 25 | 25 | * 20 per cent: hockey operations | 20 | 20 | * 20 per cent: arena | 20 | 20 | * 10 per cent: organizing committee | 10 | 10 | * 10 per cent: marketing | 10 | 10 | * 10 per cent: hosting of CHL events | 10 | 0 | * 5 per cent: finance | 5 | 0 |
I didn't know that Bobby Smith had the resources to vastly out-finance the majority owner of McCain foods
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 21:20:06 GMT -4
Yea but we sucked last year. I am not shiting on Saint John but if you look at the criteria, both finance and hosting a CHL event before are in Halifax's favor. Both rinks are close to downtown with lots of Hotels/Bars/Restaurants close. Both rinks are modern, I would asume both cities could come up with good committees. Halifax is building towards 2012 but there is no reason to think that Saint John will not have a strong team that year. | Halifax | Saint John | * 25 per cent: logistics | 25 | 25 | * 20 per cent: hockey operations | 20 | 20 | * 20 per cent: arena | 20 | 20 | * 10 per cent: organizing committee | 10 | 10 | * 10 per cent: marketing | 10 | 10 | * 10 per cent: hosting of CHL events | 10 | 0 | * 5 per cent: finance | 5 | 0 |
I didn't know that Bobby Smith had the resources to vastly out-finance the majority owner of McCain foods Maybe I miss read it but to me finance in this criteria mean how much money the event can make, I think it is a pretty safe bet that both teams have the infastructure to ensure the tounament does not go into bankruptcy before it starts.
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