|
Post by elementz on Feb 10, 2010 14:06:34 GMT -4
I am interested on the logistics of Montreal hosting the Mem Cup out of the Bell Center. As a hopeful Habs fan, how would that work with the Habs during their Stanley Cup run?
|
|
|
Post by canucklehead on Feb 10, 2010 14:16:32 GMT -4
I was at the Bell Center this weekend and that rink is awesome ... That would be a great venue for the Memorial Cup!
|
|
|
Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 10, 2010 14:23:14 GMT -4
Last time the Mooseheads hosted the memorial cup was 5 years before the Sea Dogs existed. So they can't host it until the Sea Dogs host it for the first time. That makes no sense. Can not start giving the Memorial cup first to teams just because they are an Atlantic team that never hosted it. Not to argue about who is a better team or a better franchise. As of course this year the Sea Dogs have a better on ice product. But with that being said Halifax deserves some repect and allowances, as they are the reason that English speaking nom Quebec teams are in the league. They broke the mold they blazed the path. Now if the Sea Dogs blazed the trail......If the Sea Dogs played as the only Maritime province in a Quebec League than I would say the deserve from extra treatment. Mooseheads changed the face of Q hockey. Without Harold Mackay would there even still be a Q league. How much respect do you think you deserve? I think Halifax will get it again in 2018 or 2024, which is pretty good considering you just had it in 2000.
|
|
|
Post by 1994 on Feb 10, 2010 15:12:26 GMT -4
I was at the Bell Center this weekend and that rink is awesome ... That would be a great venue for the Memorial Cup! I don't think Montreal would support it well enough for it to be at the Bell Centre, they've yet to prove that they would.
|
|
|
Post by canucklehead on Feb 10, 2010 15:40:49 GMT -4
I was at the Bell Center this weekend and that rink is awesome ... That would be a great venue for the Memorial Cup! I don't think Montreal would support it well enough for it to be at the Bell Centre, they've yet to prove that they would. You'd be getting people from across the country and you can bet Courteau would wanna have it in Montreal! lol
|
|
|
Post by 1994 on Feb 10, 2010 16:11:26 GMT -4
I don't think Montreal would support it well enough for it to be at the Bell Centre, they've yet to prove that they would. You'd be getting people from across the country and you can bet Courteau would wanna have it in Montreal! lol It's a big venue, it won't look so good if it's only half full.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2010 16:12:13 GMT -4
I was at the Bell Center this weekend and that rink is awesome ... That would be a great venue for the Memorial Cup! I don't think Montreal would support it well enough for it to be at the Bell Centre, they've yet to prove that they would. It would guarantee hockey in the Bell Center late in May for once!!!!! ;D
|
|
|
Post by fireball on Feb 10, 2010 16:18:27 GMT -4
All things being equal between Halifax and Saint John, Saint John will not sell-out every game like Halifax did in 2000 and would probably do if Halifax is succesful for 2012.
|
|
|
Post by Murph on Feb 10, 2010 16:21:00 GMT -4
We did host a CHL event that being the Canada / Russia Series which isn't bad considering how long we've been in the league (5 years) ... Personally I think Saint John & Shawinigan should both have it before Halifax gets another bid. I have absolutely nothing against Hali by any means but i think SJ and Shawinigan have made major efforts over the past couple of seasons to show the league that they want the Memorial Cup and deserve it. You're making a good point regarding the last time Halifax hosted, and how they should wait a little longer etc, etc... But that point relates to Shawinigan, not Saint John. Shawinigan has been in the league 50 years. They should host it providing they meet the criteria if you ask me. Saint John wasn't even in the league the last time Halifax hosted. It's not like the Sea Dogs have "paid their dues" in terms of any kind of waiting period. Halifax would have waited 12 years since they last hosted. Saint John would have had a 7 year wait. Add to the fact that Halifax will make a shit load more money for the league compared to Saint John, and I don't see the logic in your argument. Moncton's tournament would be more profitable than the Sea Dogs in 2012, and Moncton had to wait 11 seasons to host. If Saint John puts together a better bid than Halifax, and gets the tournament in 2012, then good for them. However special consideration shouldn't be given to Saint John in comparason to the Mooseheads because Halifax hosted in 2000. If that's the last two finalists, 2000 shouldn't be a negative for Halifax, it should be a positive. That special consideration should go to Shawinigan and Chicoutimi though, because they have paid their dues. If all things were equal, Shawinigan should get it in 2012.... 2015 should come down to Saint John and Cape Breton, whoever gets the best bid, and then 2018 would probably be Montreal if they're still around.
|
|
|
Post by Murph on Feb 10, 2010 16:23:25 GMT -4
All things being equal between Halifax and Saint John, Saint John will not sell-out every game like Halifax did in 2000 and would probably do if Halifax is succesful for 2012. I disagree. Their rink is small enough that they'll sell out every game no matter who's playing. That was one of the blackeyes for Quebec in 03 though for non-Rempart games. 4000 fans in a 15,000 seat facility didn't look real good.
|
|
|
Post by 1994 on Feb 10, 2010 16:27:28 GMT -4
All things being equal between Halifax and Saint John, Saint John will not sell-out every game like Halifax did in 2000 and would probably do if Halifax is succesful for 2012. If they look at it the way the IIHF looks at Canada for hosting the World Juniors it will be awarded to Halifax. Guaranteed sell outs, downtown rink conected to 4 hotels with numerous others within easy walking distance, experience and success in hosting it in the past, it all adds up if it looks like the team will be competitive.
|
|
|
Post by Beaver Banker on Feb 10, 2010 16:37:31 GMT -4
Halifax certainly has experience on their side. Has SJ hosted anything in the past decade that would come close to this scope?
|
|
|
Post by Briwhel on Feb 10, 2010 18:20:09 GMT -4
The Calder Cup Finals I am glad Halifax is bidding on the Memorial Cup, and hope that they see the bid through to the end and lose. Right now, their team in two years would be no better than Moncton's team was at the beginning of this year (It will likely be worse), and you won't have anywhere near the assets that Moncton had to build. On the flip side, Saint John has never ever spent much in the way of assets, so we'll still plenty to trade with without having to worry about crippling our future. On top of that, we have studs in Kirkpatrick and Despres to potentially deal next year to bulk up our 2012 team even more. At quick glance, Halifax's current players that could be back are: Clarke, Garrett Bishop, Jamie Hannay, Sawyer Wigginton, Andrew Abeltshauser, Konrad Costello, Jordan Randell, Travis Gélinas, Carl Desjardins, Gabriel Bernard, Jessyko Lemieux, Alex MacDonald, Bradley Gillard, Steve McGuigan, Dylan Andrews, Brent That's 5 D and a crap load of forwards. There might be 5 or 6 out of the group that will be top 3 line-worthy at the time and you need to get a goalie. Saint John has: Gagne Beaulieu Durepos Bourret Galiev Jurco (potentially for the Euros) Huberdeau Kelly Oke Phillips MacAuley Gauthier (possibly) Likewise, we should have 5 D (with Sock) and 5 or 6 top 9 forwards, but we will have more to buy with (because we can sell next year).
|
|
|
Post by defresh101 on Feb 10, 2010 18:35:13 GMT -4
The Calder Cup Finals I am glad Halifax is bidding on the Memorial Cup, and hope that they see the bid through to the end and lose. Right now, their team in two years would be no better than Moncton's team was at the beginning of this year (It will likely be worse), and you won't have anywhere near the assets that Moncton had to build. On the flip side, Saint John has never ever spent much in the way of assets, so we'll still plenty to trade with without having to worry about crippling our future. On top of that, we have studs in Kirkpatrick and Despres to potentially deal next year to bulk up our 2012 team even more. At quick glance, Halifax's current players that could be back are: Clarke, Garrett Bishop, Jamie Hannay, Sawyer Wigginton, Andrew Abeltshauser, Konrad Costello, Jordan Randell, Travis Gélinas, Carl Desjardins, Gabriel Bernard, Jessyko Lemieux, Alex MacDonald, Bradley Gillard, Steve McGuigan, Dylan Andrews, Brent That's 5 D and a crap load of forwards. There might be 5 or 6 out of the group that will be top 3 line-worthy at the time and you need to get a goalie. Saint John has: Gagne Beaulieu Durepos Bourret Galiev Jurco (potentially for the Euros) Huberdeau Kelly Oke Phillips MacAuley Gauthier (possibly) Likewise, we should have 5 D (with Sock) and 5 or 6 top 9 forwards, but we will have more to buy with (because we can sell next year). Wont Corbiel be able to play isnt he only 18. Will be a 20 year old for the Memorial cup. Could be wrong with birth dates. And your 2 studs Kirkpatrick and Despres are just 2 players. Do not forget we have the possibility to move Knotek, we could possibly have the 1st overall pick and the 3rd Euro. Now you could be looking at a Luke Adam type player with are first overall, and a Vorachek with our Euro pick. Also Saint John could draft well but really wont have high picks this draft... your argument is weak. Only time will tell, but Saint John should be more concerned about this Memorial Cup right now...... Not 2012.
|
|
|
Post by Murph on Feb 10, 2010 18:35:33 GMT -4
The Calder Cup Finals I am glad Halifax is bidding on the Memorial Cup, and hope that they see the bid through to the end and lose. Right now, their team in two years would be no better than Moncton's team was at the beginning of this year (It will likely be worse), and you won't have anywhere near the assets that Moncton had to build. On the flip side, Saint John has never ever spent much in the way of assets, so we'll still plenty to trade with without having to worry about crippling our future. On top of that, we have studs in Kirkpatrick and Despres to potentially deal next year to bulk up our 2012 team even more. At quick glance, Halifax's current players that could be back are: Clarke, Garrett Bishop, Jamie Hannay, Sawyer Wigginton, Andrew Abeltshauser, Konrad Costello, Jordan Randell, Travis Gélinas, Carl Desjardins, Gabriel Bernard, Jessyko Lemieux, Alex MacDonald, Bradley Gillard, Steve McGuigan, Dylan Andrews, Brent That's 5 D and a crap load of forwards. There might be 5 or 6 out of the group that will be top 3 line-worthy at the time and you need to get a goalie. Saint John has: Gagne Beaulieu Durepos Bourret Galiev Jurco (potentially for the Euros) Huberdeau Kelly Oke Phillips MacAuley Gauthier (possibly) Likewise, we should have 5 D (with Sock) and 5 or 6 top 9 forwards, but we will have more to buy with (because we can sell next year). a) Why can't Halifax sell next year too? b) Halifax has a way more draft picks for the upcoming draft than Saint John, so feel free to factor that in c) Halifax will be adding another impact euro at the euro draft, so you can feel free to add him to your list if forwards. d) BTW, you don't have both Kirkpatrick and Despres to deal next year. Stay tuned in June for the complettion of the Cousineau deal. e) You didn't host the Calder cup finals. You played in them. I supposed Halifax has "hosted" the Presidents Cup finals twice
|
|