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Post by Beaver Banker on Feb 9, 2010 22:17:00 GMT -4
Shawinigan has hosted before. Kind of. They had the '85 cup, but after the tournament started the TV crew complained about the pillars supporting the roof in the old arena, and they moved it to Drummondville after the second game. The Cats lost in the final to Prince Albert.
Interestingly, the next two Q-hosted Memorial cups saw Drummondville stand in again, this time as league runners up as the host teams (Chicoutimi in 88 and Beauport in 91) were eliminated early in the playoffs and the league replaced them.
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Post by oiler on Feb 9, 2010 23:09:32 GMT -4
Last week in the Telegraph Journal Gilles Courteau had stated that Saint John was the front-runner, and in another article concern was expressed over the lack of hotels in the Shawinigan area.
In Saint John you have 2 major hotels connected directly to the rink. The new Chateau a mere 2 minute drive, and 2 other major hotels a 10 minute drive away.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Feb 9, 2010 23:13:27 GMT -4
I think Saint John is clearly ahead of Shawinigan.
My question is: what puts them ahead of Halifax, other than the fact that Halifax has hosted before and "it's not fair"?
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Post by canucklehead on Feb 9, 2010 23:37:14 GMT -4
I think Saint John is clearly ahead of Shawinigan. My question is: what puts them ahead of Halifax, other than the fact that Halifax has hosted before and "it's not fair"? Not so much that they hosted before but that they hosted followed by Quebec City, Moncton, Rimouski, and now Halifax again? You don't see the issue with this? ... I would be very disappointed in the league and NOT if it wasn't Saint John because if they gave it to Shawinigan I could live with that they've been in the league a long time but there are plenty of teams that should have it before Halifax again and one of those is also Cape Breton.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Feb 9, 2010 23:55:29 GMT -4
I'm not saying Halifax should get it. I'm not saying they shouldn't. I haven't seen the bid packages, so how can I choose? I'm just saying based on the criteria they used last time, how can Saint John differentiate itself from Halifax? If the bids are otherwise comparable, but the Halifax bid brings in ~ $2MM more in Ticket Sales alone, what can SJ offer to swing the selection committee back, except the fact that they'd be first time hosts?
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Post by canbeer on Feb 10, 2010 0:00:31 GMT -4
I think Saint John is clearly ahead of Shawinigan. My question is: what puts them ahead of Halifax, other than the fact that Halifax has hosted before and "it's not fair"? Not so much that they hosted before but that they hosted followed by Quebec City, Moncton, Rimouski, and now Halifax again? You don't see the issue with this? ... I would be very disappointed in the league and NOT if it wasn't Saint John because if they gave it to Shawinigan I could live with that they've been in the league a long time but there are plenty of teams that should have it before Halifax again and one of those is also Cape Breton. Not saying I don't agree with the spirit of that... tough to be a fan of a team that stands no chance of ever getting an event like that. Heck, we've never hosted the draft in over 15 years in the league. But I take a bit of issue with "should" as this isn't really a everyone gets their turn type of thing. This league and its teams are businesses and what's "fair" doesn't always hold weight. I mean it would be like you and a Bathurst fan trying to agree on what the league should do regarding NCAA bluffing at the draft and the place of Euros in the league. Would the league really be better if players indicating that they're going NCAA couldn't be drafted and if there were no Euros... just to be fair to small market teams. This is one of those similar discussions. The other side of the coin, how long does Halifax have to wait? Sure it doesn't seem right for the same team to host it every other Memorial Cup but what if Halifax has the best bid this time and next time... where's the cut off when they can host it again... 15 years... 30 years...
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Post by canucklehead on Feb 10, 2010 0:04:09 GMT -4
I'm not saying Halifax should get it. I'm not saying they shouldn't. I haven't seen the bid packages, so how can I choose? I'm just saying based on the criteria they used last time, how can Saint John differentiate itself from Halifax? If the bids are otherwise comparable, but the Halifax bid brings in ~ $2MM more in Ticket Sales alone, what can SJ offer to swing the selection committee back, except the fact that they'd be first time hosts? What made them choose Rimouski over Halifax? Obviously Halifax would have made them a lot more money so was it just because they were a Quebec based team?
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Post by Beaver Banker on Feb 10, 2010 0:12:35 GMT -4
I think the league wants to avoid two tournaments back-to-back in the Maritimes. Where Moncton had 2006, Halifax getting 2009 was improbable at best. Also, Halifax was not setting up well on the ice for a run in 2009.
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Post by Steve on Feb 10, 2010 0:23:28 GMT -4
I'm not saying Halifax should get it. I'm not saying they shouldn't. I haven't seen the bid packages, so how can I choose? I'm just saying based on the criteria they used last time, how can Saint John differentiate itself from Halifax? If the bids are otherwise comparable, but the Halifax bid brings in ~ $2MM more in Ticket Sales alone, what can SJ offer to swing the selection committee back, except the fact that they'd be first time hosts? What made them choose Rimouski over Halifax? Obviously Halifax would have made them a lot more money so was it just because they were a Quebec based team? Because quality of host team is also a factor, no one wants a repeat of the 88 OHL Hamilton fiasco. Saint John will make an excellent host as will Halifax. The league will make a lot of money off either city. However, I dont buy the fact that this league will alternate between Quebec/Atlantic. It is 12 votes to 6. Some owners will vote for the deal that get them the best share, other will see Quebec first (dont tell me that doesn't happen..) I personally think it's a recruiting tool being used by Bobby and Cam to lure those high quality fence sitters at next years draft. Either way by 2012 the team should be strong enough to compete for a spot regardless of who hosts. It would be neat to see two Atlantic teams represent the Q...(like Courteau will allow that!)
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Post by oiler on Feb 10, 2010 0:45:41 GMT -4
I'm not sure about when Rimouski was granted the Mem Cup, but I think it was done by a "non-bias" committee without having to vote on it by the BOG. Committee featured 2 former NB premiers, and a few Quebec politicians. THey can decide to go this route again, or just have the BOG vote on it.
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Post by P-O on Feb 10, 2010 2:31:30 GMT -4
Good luck for your bid. I know the Remparts organisation are thinking about bidding for this one, or the other one after 2015. Hope you start having a nice team by then
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 10, 2010 7:25:07 GMT -4
They just had it in 2000 I think that's gonna count regardless of percentages. And it was the most profitable memorial cup in league history. That's gonna count for something too. As long as there are equally good candidates, halifax won't get it again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2010 9:05:03 GMT -4
And it was the most profitable memorial cup in league history. That's gonna count for something too. As long as there are equally good candidates, halifax won't get it again. I am glad we have a member of the bid committe on this board, You may as well just tell us now who will get it so we can stop speculating.
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Post by canucklehead on Feb 10, 2010 9:18:38 GMT -4
As long as there are equally good candidates, halifax won't get it again. I am glad we have a member of the bid committe on this board, You may as well just tell us now who will get it so we can stop speculating. Put me on the board too then because I agree 100% with what CP is saying and it's not because I'm from Saint John either it just makes sense to give it to a city that is an equally good candidate but hasn't held the tournament yet ... not sure why that would come as a shock to some people.
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Post by BenCurtis on Feb 10, 2010 9:25:46 GMT -4
I am glad we have a member of the bid committe on this board, You may as well just tell us now who will get it so we can stop speculating. Put me on the board too then because I agree 100% with what CP is saying and it's not because I'm from Saint John either it just makes sense to give it to a city that is an equally good candidate but hasn't held the tournament yet ... not sure why that would come as a shock to some people. Not really sure why it comes as a shock that the league may give it to a city who hosted the tournament 12 years ago... Quebec City 1991 & 2003... just saying..
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