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Post by Murph on Aug 27, 2010 19:10:54 GMT -4
I'm not against sending Ryan back but what players have been "ruined" by rotting in the press box? Pouliot? Breault? Aseev?
Those guys were never solid prospects. People made them out to be something they weren't. they were over hyped, simply because Halifax had a lack of picks. They were expected to be something they really had no business being labelled as.
Saulnier and Sheppard played a ton at 16, and they didn't turn out. Guys like Bernier, Swan, and Hillier turned out fine. Even guys who were marginal prospects who rotted still turned into decent players at the end of their career (like Couch, Upshall and Pender).
The only guy I can think of that obviously suffered from it was Chermetiev.... but he rotted for 3 years... not just at 16.
Ideally they find a place for a guy to play locally in games, while still practicing with the team (like Guenette, Doucet and eventually Hillier did). I don't know if they have an option like that with Ryan. Historically though, Halifax has had more prospects "rot" and pan out, than bust.
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Post by lalalaprise on Aug 27, 2010 19:34:25 GMT -4
I'm not against sending Ryan back but what players have been "ruined" by rotting in the press box? Pouliot? Breault? Aseev? Those guys were never solid prospects. People made them out to be something they weren't. they were over hyped, simply because Halifax had a lack of picks. They were expected to be something they really had no business being labelled as. Saulnier and Sheppard played a ton at 16, and they didn't turn out. Guys like Bernier, Swan, and Hillier turned out fine. Even guys who were marginal prospects who rotted still turned into decent players at the end of their career (like Couch, Upshall and Pender). The only guy I can think of that obviously suffered from it was Chermetiev.... but he rotted for 3 years... not just at 16. Ideally they find a place for a guy to play locally in games, while still practicing with the team (like Guenette, Doucet and eventually Hillier did). I don't know if they have an option like that with Ryan. Historically though, Halifax has had more prospects "rot" and pan out, than bust. Its hard to say...what if Hillier played at 16 he may have ended up being a 120 point player...what if MA Bernier played at 16...he may have scored 50 goals in the Q at 19.. No one really knows for sure the impact of those guys sitting and what they could have been. Saulnier and Sheppard also sat and barely played at 17...so that was an abnormal arrangement because Halifax carried 16 forwards the year they were 17... Its funny how Halifax has this holier than thou mentality where they dont let other teams develop their own prospects. Are the Notre Dame Hounds that unworthy of having Ryan play there as a 16 year old??? It seems like with Cam Russell this has changed as he had no issue sending Boudreau back to AAA. Patenaude was bad for this, he basically didnt want anyone else grooming his own prospects so he pulled some loopholes and allowed Guenette to play for Dartmouth.
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Post by howitzer on Aug 27, 2010 21:20:14 GMT -4
Grant - Bety - Randell Gelinas - Andrews - Ashley Desjardins - Boudreau - Frk MacDonald - Ciampini - Lemieux Turbide If Frk shows up and MacDonald is kept I think Ryan would have a very tough time getting the proper icetime. Even if MacDonald or Frk doesn't show isn't kept Turbide has looked ready to play a solid/regular 4th line role. I like that line-up. And don't look now, but we have some serious depth developing up front. Still young, but you look at that line-up and every guy can play, and play well in this league now, or has great potential in this league. I've liked Andrew Ryan in camp, but there just isnt any room this season. He should go back and play a ton at Notre Dame. He's got a bright future though. I know it was reported about Souligny and the school situation, but I don't see how he's played his way on to the team....yet anyway. If he makes it, you're looking at Turbide or MacDonald getting cut, and I think those 2 have outplayed Souligny. Souligny has played well, but not to the extend of bumping Turbide or MacDonald. Plus there is still McGuigan, Davis and Warner in the picture. Tough decisions for sure. I hope MacDonald makes it and gets to play. He's not talked about a lot, and is viewed as a bubble guy, but I think that's only because he just hasn't played enough hockey the last few seasons. I like his game and I think he could take a step in his development this year, if given icetime.
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Post by lalalaprise on Aug 27, 2010 22:45:49 GMT -4
Grant - Bety - Randell Gelinas - Andrews - Ashley Desjardins - Boudreau - Frk MacDonald - Ciampini - Lemieux Turbide If Frk shows up and MacDonald is kept I think Ryan would have a very tough time getting the proper icetime. Even if MacDonald or Frk doesn't show isn't kept Turbide has looked ready to play a solid/regular 4th line role. I like that line-up. And don't look now, but we have some serious depth developing up front. Still young, but you look at that line-up and every guy can play, and play well in this league now, or has great potential in this league. I've liked Andrew Ryan in camp, but there just isnt any room this season. He should go back and play a ton at Notre Dame. He's got a bright future though. I know it was reported about Souligny and the school situation, but I don't see how he's played his way on to the team....yet anyway. If he makes it, you're looking at Turbide or MacDonald getting cut, and I think those 2 have outplayed Souligny. Souligny has played well, but not to the extend of bumping Turbide or MacDonald. Plus there is still McGuigan, Davis and Warner in the picture. Tough decisions for sure. I hope MacDonald makes it and gets to play. He's not talked about a lot, and is viewed as a bubble guy, but I think that's only because he just hasn't played enough hockey the last few seasons. I like his game and I think he could take a step in his development this year, if given icetime. Halifax will probably carry 14 forwards...so Souligny makes 14...thats without Frk though.
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Post by canbeer on Aug 28, 2010 0:23:21 GMT -4
I like that line-up. And don't look now, but we have some serious depth developing up front. Still young, but you look at that line-up and every guy can play, and play well in this league now, or has great potential in this league. I've liked Andrew Ryan in camp, but there just isnt any room this season. He should go back and play a ton at Notre Dame. He's got a bright future though. I know it was reported about Souligny and the school situation, but I don't see how he's played his way on to the team....yet anyway. If he makes it, you're looking at Turbide or MacDonald getting cut, and I think those 2 have outplayed Souligny. Souligny has played well, but not to the extend of bumping Turbide or MacDonald. Plus there is still McGuigan, Davis and Warner in the picture. Tough decisions for sure. I hope MacDonald makes it and gets to play. He's not talked about a lot, and is viewed as a bubble guy, but I think that's only because he just hasn't played enough hockey the last few seasons. I like his game and I think he could take a step in his development this year, if given icetime. Halifax will probably carry 14 forwards...so Souligny makes 14...thats without Frk though. So do you have Ryan as #13 or?
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Post by canbeer on Aug 28, 2010 0:47:23 GMT -4
Grant - Bety - Randell Gelinas - Andrews - Ashley Desjardins - Boudreau - Frk MacDonald - Ciampini - Lemieux Turbide If Frk shows up and MacDonald is kept I think Ryan would have a very tough time getting the proper icetime. Even if MacDonald or Frk doesn't show isn't kept Turbide has looked ready to play a solid/regular 4th line role. I like that line-up. And don't look now, but we have some serious depth developing up front. Still young, but you look at that line-up and every guy can play, and play well in this league now, or has great potential in this league. I've liked Andrew Ryan in camp, but there just isnt any room this season. He should go back and play a ton at Notre Dame. He's got a bright future though. I know it was reported about Souligny and the school situation, but I don't see how he's played his way on to the team....yet anyway. If he makes it, you're looking at Turbide or MacDonald getting cut, and I think those 2 have outplayed Souligny. Souligny has played well, but not to the extend of bumping Turbide or MacDonald. Plus there is still McGuigan, Davis and Warner in the picture. Tough decisions for sure. I hope MacDonald makes it and gets to play. He's not talked about a lot, and is viewed as a bubble guy, but I think that's only because he just hasn't played enough hockey the last few seasons. I like his game and I think he could take a step in his development this year, if given icetime. Yeah that lineup is basically the best we can put out there this year and it may not have a line that scores 70 goals but it has four lines that call all play with a mix of talent, character and potential on each line. And if the lines don't quite produce the LWs can be swapped around to see what works. I expected a talented player in Ryan but a player that was really raw... he's looked much more ready then I expected but I still think sending him back down is probably best. If we're going to have a 14th forward (which we will) I'd rather it not be one of the top picks/skill players but rather a role guy. The spot is kind of a bit strange at the moment as it looks like Souligny is the guy (though I suppose Frk isn't here yet) but like you said three other guys are well in the mix. I like Turbide and think his spot is safe. I agree about MacDonald but at the same time he could be that "surprise" cut to make room for one of the young tough guys. It's strange with MacDonald this year... I can see him getting cut or putting up 30-40 points. I think if he gets a spot that he'll do well.
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Post by lalalaprise on Aug 28, 2010 1:35:06 GMT -4
Halifax will probably carry 14 forwards...so Souligny makes 14...thats without Frk though. So do you have Ryan as #13 or? Nope.... Grant, 20 Bety, 20 Randell, 19 Gelinas, 18 Desjardins, 18 Lemieux, 18 MacDonald, 18 Ashley, 17 Andrews, 17 Turbide, 17 Boudreau, 17 Souligny, 17 Ciampini, 16 Thats 13 right there...so I mis-counted....if Frk comes, Souligny would be 14th F... I honestly dont see a point in keeping Ryan around...even if he is 13th forward, which is doubtful once Frk arrives. There just isnt enough quality icetime to go around.
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Post by zapp on Aug 28, 2010 9:26:46 GMT -4
ryan is staying. watch.
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Post by lalalaprise on Aug 28, 2010 12:49:11 GMT -4
It wouldnt shock me if he was kept, im just saying it would be counterproductive when you look at all the other forwards who need icetime.
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Post by zapp on Aug 28, 2010 15:27:33 GMT -4
It wouldnt shock me if he was kept, im just saying it would be counterproductive when you look at all the other forwards who need icetime. i see where you're coming from but in my personal opinion youve underrated ryan from the day he was drafted. i guess we'll see in a couple of years, but this kid can play now for sure.
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Post by lalalaprise on Aug 28, 2010 15:30:34 GMT -4
It wouldnt shock me if he was kept, im just saying it would be counterproductive when you look at all the other forwards who need icetime. i see where you're coming from but in my personal opinion youve underrated ryan from the day he was drafted. i guess we'll see in a couple of years, but this kid can play now for sure. Im not his biggest fan...i wont dispute that, but who do you take out of the lineup to get him in?? Turbide wont sit, Lemieux wont sit, Ashley wont sit...if Ryan is kept than that cuts into Boudreau's icetime and if Frk ends up playing that makes things even more cluttered.
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Post by Haligonian on Aug 28, 2010 17:04:05 GMT -4
According to Willy Palov's twitter - Ryan, Turbide, Boudreau, Souligny, Ashley & Ciampini have all made the team. That ends the speculation on Ryan.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 15:46:35 GMT -4
According to Willy Palov's twitter - Ryan, Turbide, Boudreau, Souligny, Ashley & Ciampini have all made the team. That ends the speculation on Ryan. Ryan is having a big day up in Cape Breton with 2 goals in the first period.
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Post by crash on Aug 30, 2010 11:09:10 GMT -4
Davis, McGuigan, Desmond, Kavanaugh and Chisholm cut this morning according to Wuest.
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Post by ballzz on Aug 30, 2010 21:24:58 GMT -4
2nd Attempt:
Goalies Corbeil Terenzio
Defence Amyot - Abeltshauser Clarke - Gillard Hannay - Lewis Bishop
Forwards Ashley - Gelinas - Desjardins Grant - Bety - Randell Lemieux - Andrews - Ciampini MacDonald - Boudreau - Turbide Souligny - Ryan
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